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    	    <title>Reply by gilad1280</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-3/?recent=503104#post=503104</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[basically just think if you being dead for a medic pick is worth not being able to kill the classes that actually oppose threat on your team, not being able to do dmg, or hold flank.
something you'll have to understand with more exp as you play along. just ask your self after every game, no matter if it's a win or a lose, if the decisions you made were right at that moment. if you are not sure, ask your teamates. knowing their expectations of you will result you in becoming a more viable player for your team.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:26:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by S1M0N</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-3/?recent=503104#post=503098</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Hetzer</i>
		<blockquote>So its, depending on the situation, mostly okay to kamikaze the medic as long as you get the kill? Because that way your k/d is never below 1.0, and the pocket also takes some splash damage which, in combination with a team push, is very beneficial? Because i don´t really see anything wrong with that right now, unless of course it´s too dangerous to suicide in because the pocket saw you or something, i dont know. My damage is pretty much always above average so i don´t think i´m being that much of a noob.</blockquote>


I think you might be misunderstanding the situations phoenix mentioned. Going for a kill on a medic at a time where your team has an uber advantage is not as good as having you alive during the push. The times when I go for medic picks are usually:

A: we lose our medic in a fight, I'm in so I try to neutralize their new uber advantage before their medic can fall back in anticipation of bombs.

B: They have an advantage, but losing me without results is an evwn bigger disadvantage to my team so this requires that I have a good idea of what to do (ask my scouts if theyve seen how the other team is positioned, try to formulate a series of jumps to get there as fast as possible/without detection etc)

C: The circumstances are right and forcing their uber early in an uber v uber situation will be beneficial for my pockets mad mge uber fighting skills (AMS is a dirty hakr)

D: viaduct or some shit and ubers are everything.

In a lot of cases it can be smarter to reinforce the flank with spam or to try to pick up kills on overextending players to give your team advantage in damage potential than to die while going for the medic at a bad time. The more you play the more you'll get a feel for when is right.

P.S.
"Circumstances are right" in this case means the other team is unaware of your position/they telegraph their next push too hard with presence and footsteps/voice commands in an area.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:31:54 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hetzer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-3/?recent=503104#post=503094</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[So its, depending on the situation, mostly okay to kamikaze the medic as long as you get the kill? Because that way your k/d is never below 1.0, and the pocket also takes some splash damage which, in combination with a team push, is very beneficial? Because i don´t really see anything wrong with that right now, unless of course it´s too dangerous to suicide in because the pocket saw you or something, i dont know. My damage is pretty much always above average so i don´t think i´m being that much of a noob.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:33 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by gilad1280</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-3/?recent=503104#post=503047</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[the thing is, low div roamers mostly think:"Let's suicide the medic if I see him"
doesn't matter who protects him, what is the uber situation, and the risk of failing.
so you see roamers have maybe 3 medic kills, a few kills on other classes and 25+ deaths and his dmg lower then the scouts.
and him being constantly dead gives an advantage to the enemy team.
you have to learn when you need to bomb the medic. and that is not something that you should focus on most of the game. especially on middles where your dmg is more important than bombing the medic and dying, while you can be more useful for something else.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:38:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fraac</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-3/?recent=503104#post=503011</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Nothing wrong with that, but I'm really sure that at lower levels it's better to work a damage advantage and win the teamfight rather than suiciding, because of how rarely uber advantages are properly used.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 03:39:19 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hetzer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-3/?recent=503104#post=503008</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What exactly is wrong about utilizing the gunboats to do quick maneuvers to get behind the enemy team and attacking their rear (with your team)? And isn´t a medic worth more than a roamer and therefore, if its an easy kill, worth the suicide?

Regards, a confused roamer starter.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 03:24:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by thestephenplays</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-3/?recent=503104#post=500185</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from hr</i>
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fucking scout mains</blockquote>

konr in a nutshell]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:51:34 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by zzott</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-2/?recent=503104#post=499905</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Mundi</i>
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omg let me reload rockets so i can jump and spam u</blockquote>

MUH STATS!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 18:34:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by MastaLogii</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-2/?recent=503104#post=499900</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from hr</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
Apparently if someone jumps you on spire and they then fall to the ground, shooting them on the ground = 'spamming', I had someone say to me 'div3 and a spamming faggot' or something along these lines, it baffles my mind.</blockquote>
omg let me reload rockets so i can jump and spam u]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 18:24:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by HR</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from .</i>
		<blockquote>[...]Then they start mge and go around telling div s3 how they're shit when they lose</blockquote>
Apparently if someone jumps you on spire and they then fall to the ground, shooting them on the ground = 'spamming', I had someone say to me 'div3 and a spamming faggot' or something along these lines, it baffles my mind.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 16:52:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashnazg</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-2/?recent=503104#post=499859</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Mh, I disagree with the notion that lower div players are shitlords. 95% of the players I know and regularly play with are nice and keen to improve. There's a few that dont want to keen up and just play some relaxed shooting games and that's fine too.

People all the way up to prem make up excuses about the most ridiculous little things, just think about knoxxx' 'so lucky'.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:54:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by gouldie</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-2/?recent=503104#post=499855</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[PJSalt?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:35:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by zzott</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-2/?recent=503104#post=499848</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from doks</i>
		<blockquote>
New players are gold. But the worst thing is - they don`t want to learn either. They think they are the best and know it all :/</blockquote>

Yes! There it is. I'm really curious about why this is. I've mentored tens of new players in the past and they where all like this. Bad luck I suppose. 

Then they start mge and go around telling div s3 how they're shit when they lose, or as I recently experienced: spamming your profile, private chat and alltalk in all caps about how shit and salty you ate after they lost. 

The question is if we're not taking care of  our newbies properly. We are a relatively small community after all.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:11:01 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by freshmeatt</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-2/?recent=503104#post=499831</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from mole</i>
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Ye, not generalising at all.</blockquote>
Except having the majority of cases being the way he described warrants him being right?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 13:53:48 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashnazg</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-29058/page-2/?recent=503104#post=499827</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from mole</i>
		<blockquote>Ye, not generalising at all.</blockquote>

Isnt that what this thread is about?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 12:55:12 +0200</pubDate>
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