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ETF2L – Latest activity in “Incredibly strong pl_upward third point hold” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/ Reply by jroman0 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-3/?recent=464995#post=464995 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=464995 Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:36:19 +0200 Reply by Fool12522 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-3/?recent=464995#post=464812 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=464812 Mon, 05 Aug 2013 01:16:21 +0200 Reply by kaidus https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-3/?recent=464995#post=464783 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=464783 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 19:49:56 +0200 Reply by Xacher https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-3/?recent=464995#post=464780 Quoted from Popcorp

We need some Fun cup or something where Engie cant use standard sentry spots

]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=464780 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 19:20:52 +0200 Reply by Yggdrasil https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-3/?recent=464995#post=464741 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=464741 Sun, 04 Aug 2013 06:47:57 +0200 Reply by Anoobis https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-3/?recent=464995#post=463314 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463314 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:50:11 +0200 Reply by Hildreth https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463282 Quoted from quintosh

[...] the counter to it would be kritz from bridge, the short circuit mini tactic sounds promising too (its posted on reddit)

Theorycrafting.... You can try it but it's execution that counts, the basics of winning TF2 games and HL games is to do the basics very well. Execute clean pushes by which you minimilize damage taken, gain ground before being forced to use uber in order to gain ground, use your uber in the best position, only use it on players that can be useful in the right positions....etc Basics really, the better teams will execute their pushes more cleanly and it opens oppurtunities up. It relies on people being on the same wavelength and knowing their roles in the team, an example I see in Silver/Steel games is too many people being multi-ubered, medics allowing players to take shedload of damage before ubering, players committing to uber fights where they have no position/health advantage. More or less every defence/attack fight depends on these factors, obviously you can work in individual play somewhere and factor it into your push, my definition of a good defence is one where you need more than good execution to defeat it, that extra bit of individual class because otherwise you depend on your opponents making a mistake, you'd be surprised how man points are lost just by a medic not flashing uber in time or having too many people to flash...etc]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463282 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:25:12 +0200 Reply by LimputtaJa https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463265 Quoted from quintosh

[...] the counter to it would be kritz from bridge, the short circuit mini tactic sounds promising too (its posted on reddit)

Or take down sentry which is easy to just spam far away and help of spy. Force combo with just random spam in the narrow closed area combo is holdin and can't see anything. Then kill them if they dont fall back, if they fall back cut them off and kill them. And enjoy basiclay free 2nd, 3rd and 4th point.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463265 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:50:55 +0200 Reply by Tuto https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463249 Quoted from Setlet

I think it would have been more fun to see a video of this being successful (you say you tried it and FAILED). There it could have been possible to see where it's strong and where it lacks. Theorycrafting in TF2 is pretty stupid.

exactly]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463249 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 03:54:50 +0200 Reply by quintosh https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463195 Quoted from Hildreth

[...] Yeah theorycrafting isn't the best thing, however having an actual plan/strategy going into a point beyond the basics is a good thing, but like every proposed defence there is always a counter, this upward third hold sounds remarkably similar to a hold done by a team I played in North America named Stoic, it was a pretty strong hold but like a lot of holds you can break them when you work yourself a kill / some ground / good uber exchange or just individual mistakes/brilliance. Also the pace of Upward's, you'd need to soft retreat from 2nd to do this hold, most teams tend not to.

the counter to it would be kritz from bridge, the short circuit mini tactic sounds promising too (its posted on reddit)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463195 Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:34:01 +0200 Reply by Hildreth https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463183 Quoted from Setlet

I think it would have been more fun to see a video of this being successful (you say you tried it and FAILED). There it could have been possible to see where it's strong and where it lacks. Theorycrafting in TF2 is pretty stupid.

Yeah theorycrafting isn't the best thing, however having an actual plan/strategy going into a point beyond the basics is a good thing, but like every proposed defence there is always a counter, this upward third hold sounds remarkably similar to a hold done by a team I played in North America named Stoic, it was a pretty strong hold but like a lot of holds you can break them when you work yourself a kill / some ground / good uber exchange or just individual mistakes/brilliance. Also the pace of Upward's, you'd need to soft retreat from 2nd to do this hold, most teams tend not to.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463183 Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:44:01 +0200 Reply by Setlet https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463132 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463132 Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:40:18 +0200 Reply by quintosh https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463127 Quoted from rat

You guys keep mentioning high divs but keep assuming the other team is gonna come in one by one or that 1 sticky trap can hold back 9 people.

its not about going in one by one it's about understanding how to stay alive and falling back without looking for more frags]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463127 Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:54:26 +0200 Reply by r.at https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463126 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463126 Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:49:51 +0200 Reply by LimputtaJa https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-26770/page-2/?recent=464995#post=463117 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=26770&post=463117 Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:01:16 +0200