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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Spy disguise abuse&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by nathancounye</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-24691/page-3/?recent=438383#post=438383</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[some scouts do this before every round in 6v6, no big deal]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:05:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xacher</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from SabaSaba</i>
		<blockquote>Yeah, common knowledge in hl. Dunno about 6v6.
I actually told this piece of information in the PC Gamer interview with Beef and ALX year ago.</blockquote>
http://i.imgur.com/grcJp.jpg]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:51:30 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Monkeh</i>
		<blockquote>Valve wouldn’t have wanted opponents to be able to check what medi gun they are using, kritz after all, is about surprise.</blockquote>
Why wouldn't they have wanted that..? Kritz is about surprise, according to us. Where did Valve say anything about anything more than it just being an alternative to the Medigun?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:09:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kKaltUu</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[It came from the fact that you had to see which weapon you had equipped as spy in your disguise. A medic running somewhere with only his ubersaw out raises more suspicion than with his medigun. I'd say this falls in the same category as shooting one bullet in your revolver before the cloak, so that your cloaked skin reloads if you reload too.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:36:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Why not what exactly?

Why not 'nothing can be done about it'? Well it's impossible to police isn't it? 

Why not ask Valve to change the game? 'Cos they won't.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:32:07 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Monkeh</i>
		<blockquote>I think abuse is the right term tbh, let's be honest, Valve wouldn't have wanted opponents to be able to check what medi gun they are using, kritz after all, is about surprise.

There's nothing can be done to stop it however, except asking valve for an update that makes disguising as medic impossible for the first 15 seconds of a map or something...</blockquote>Why not exactly..?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:11:17 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Selektionsfaktor</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Monkeh</i>
		<blockquote>I think abuse is the right term tbh, let's be honest, Valve wouldn't have wanted opponents to be able to check what medi gun they are using, kritz after all, is about surprise.</blockquote>

It's as abusive as players self-damaging in order to fill up the Medic's übercharge meter faster, isn't it?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:08:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sheepsi</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Godof</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
nobody uses it,this is really shitty :P
also 40 secs</blockquote>
just an example -.-]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:48:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[fuck spies, both of my guns are mediguns :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:05:12 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GodOfFail</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Sheepsi</i>
		<blockquote>thats like the oldest trick in the book.
well i do it sometimes.. cool shit..
but thats not an abuse.. its not a bug or something..

theres also a script than when you press a key it lets you know after 60 secs from the time you pressed that key, so you can know about when the other team have uber..

its not an abuse, just using some of the game option.</blockquote>
nobody uses it,this is really shitty :P
also 40 secs]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:55:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cunlico</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[In b4 every medic now renames their mediguns.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:03:28 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sheepsi</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[thats like the oldest trick in the book.
well i do it sometimes.. cool shit..
but thats not an abuse.. its not a bug or something..

theres also a script than when you press a key it lets you know after 60 secs from the time you pressed that key, so you can know about when the other team have uber..

its not an abuse, just using some of the game option.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:54:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ond kaja</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Casual</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Please, it's the idea of using spy disguises to check that's important, creating a script to make it easy is child's play. There isn't much credit to be taken for this.</blockquote>

When I re-read my post I kinda sound like I wanted to take credit. But no, the reason why I wanted it to be a secret is because it gave my team an advantage. Once a script like this becomes well-known you will see more people using it. Now that this script is public you'll see a lot more teams going to use this to check the enemy's uber.

And yes, this was known ages before I made this script. But very few teams actually bothered to check the enemy's medigun at the start of every round, even if they knew the basic idea of it. That gave us an advantage and is why I didn't want to make this script public.

The sniper script that removed the scope's borders comes to mind. It had existed for years, but once the actual script was made public, you saw a lot more snipers using that script.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:52:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by atmo</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[It's not that useful at middles to be honest, unless your medic wants to base his medigun pick on theirs. At least one of your classes is highly likely to encounter their medic within the first 30 seconds of the round. And if they don't due to passive positioning - hey, it might be kritz.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:29:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LimputtaJa</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Pretty sure its says this even on the "pro tips" while loading maps screen]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:25:43 +0100</pubDate>
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