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ETF2L – Latest activity in “I quit for a while and now I suck. What do?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/ Reply by Askjell https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-3/?recent=419839#post=419839 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419839 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:27:46 +0100 Reply by Calme https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-3/?recent=419839#post=419834 Quoted from .

[...] Somehow I doubt 1on1 skills determine what div you are

Irony?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419834 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:28:57 +0100 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-3/?recent=419839#post=419482 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419482 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:37:37 +0100 Reply by Henghast https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-3/?recent=419839#post=419481 Quoted from Monkeh

[...] blurb/

Nice post and all but an entirely wasted effort considering the receipient]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419481 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:19:24 +0100 Reply by Rychius https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-3/?recent=419839#post=419477 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419477 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:06:38 +0100 Reply by Heck https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419475 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419475 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:29:25 +0100 Reply by Animal https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419473 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419473 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:16:33 +0100 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419470 Quoted from Pennyfarming

MGE usualy does show how good you are because it shows your pure talent.

Talent at what? MGE? As has been discussed and argued about previously, having a high MGE rating might just mean you play MGE serious mode and use aforementioned 'faggot' tactics to win at all costs. Quoted from Pennyfarming

It removes any external factors such as team mates or map choice and leaves only yourself and your pure skill vs the other guys pure skill.

Skill for me includes external factors and map knowledge. The best scouts know when to charge in and mop up, when to go back cap, how to get behind enemies at the right time, when to offclass etc. None of this matters one jot in MGE, dodging and aim, that's what you train there, 'skill' in competitive TF2 simply has to include dodging, aim, map knowledge, enemy awareness, positioning, making and responding to calls, teamwork, gamesense and timing. It's all well and good pwning the jumping soldier as he tries to stop you capping spire, but if that x4 backcap you let through by not watching flanks continues you still lost mid and probably the round, so who's the most skilful? Quoted from Pennyfarming

It explains why baddies think MGE sucks or isnt useful because their skill sucks and they can only do good in 6v6 when they have a team to carry them LOL

I don't think anyone thinks MGE sucks, it's a decent way to train your DM and dodging, but that's it. If you play a team game then your integration within that team is massively important and much more so than individual DM. One scout with beast DM will still lose to 2 avearge scouts and a roamer watching flanks like hawks. Another village idiot here... o/]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419470 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:58:20 +0100 Reply by Staffan https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419467 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419467 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:46:17 +0100 Reply by ashnazg https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419462 Quoted from herpderp

[...] Are you making yourself a village idiot to twist the analogy to your own favor?

I AM a village idiot.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419462 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:14:54 +0100 Reply by Eledorian https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419446 Quoted from ash

[...] Might as well be a Dutch custom :P

Are you making yourself a village idiot to twist the analogy to your own favor?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419446 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:48:42 +0100 Reply by ashnazg https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419444 Quoted from herpderp

[...] Is it a German custom to engage the village idiot in a debate no matter how fruitless that may prove to be?

Might as well be a Dutch custom :P]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419444 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:46:15 +0100 Reply by Eledorian https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419443 Quoted from ash

[...] MGE shows your DM skill. Agreed. DM isnt what defines a team game tho, it's one half of it. You can compensate for lack of DM with good decisions just as you can compensate for lack of brain with good DM. Good DM can carry you a long way, just as good decision making can carry you a long way. Claiming either one is useless or overrated just shows how much your thinking is defined in black and white only.

Is it a German custom to engage the village idiot in a debate no matter how fruitless that may prove to be?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419443 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:44:40 +0100 Reply by ashnazg https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419411 Quoted from Pennyfarming

[...] I doubt that, MGE usualy does show how good you are because it shows your pure talent. It removes any external factors such as team mates or map choice and leaves only yourself and your pure skill vs the other guys pure skill. It explains why baddies think MGE sucks or isnt useful because their skill sucks and they can only do good in 6v6 when they have a team to carry them LOL

MGE shows your DM skill. Agreed. DM isnt what defines a team game tho, it's one half of it. You can compensate for lack of DM with good decisions just as you can compensate for lack of brain with good DM. Good DM can carry you a long way, just as good decision making can carry you a long way. Claiming either one is useless or overrated just shows how much your thinking is defined in black and white only.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419411 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:52:45 +0100 Reply by Pennyfarming https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-23489/page-2/?recent=419839#post=419406 Quoted from Monkeh

[...] I reckon you'll find plenty of people on this here forum that disagree quite strongly...they're wrong of course, but they wont believe it.

I doubt that, MGE usualy does show how good you are because it shows your pure talent. It removes any external factors such as team mates or map choice and leaves only yourself and your pure skill vs the other guys pure skill. It explains why baddies think MGE sucks or isnt useful because their skill sucks and they can only do good in 6v6 when they have a team to carry them LOL]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=23489&post=419406 Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:41 +0100