ETF2L – Latest activity in “Roll-outs...enlighten me.” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/ Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-2/?recent=396613#post=396613 Quoted from CanFo
We usually used the "CanFo Rollout" for the short time I tried to main demo where I failed the jump from the dropdown to the wooden bridge, walked through valley with 10 HP, died instantly and we lost the middle.
Don't forget your gullywash train! aah here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4RWLCPu3Ug]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396613 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:25:47 +0200 Reply by CannonFodd3r https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-2/?recent=396613#post=396604 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396604 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:27:36 +0200 Reply by wpminnows https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-2/?recent=396613#post=396601 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396601 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:18:16 +0200 Reply by zzott https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-2/?recent=396613#post=396593 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396593 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:29:57 +0200 Reply by Cool_rero https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396592 Quoted from herpderp
[...] It's a lot less riskier than jumping your demo to their bridge, your roamer can spam straight down on them if they go valley or trap them in the house for an extra 3 seconds even if he has to bail and he can still jump back if he gets overwhelmed.
That's a joke right? the roamer will be spotted before the combo reaches valley by the valley scout or the demo, and then one sticky and some chip damage from the scattergun and he'll die instantly (hey a free pick!) and honestly if you let a half hp soldier trap you in house for three seconds without killing him instantly then you suck and you deserve to be trapped, all it takes is for one of the soldiers to shoot the floor under him for 80 damage and then a scout will finish him off (considering the demo/scout haven't done that already) and on top of that, you'll see him on your way when walking across the small wooden bridge, and then you could easily jump on him.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396592 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:29:48 +0200 Reply by Eledorian https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396576 Quoted from Kaneco
[...] Those are very specific and rare situations, much like the demoman jumping their bridge
It's a lot less riskier than jumping your demo to their bridge, your roamer can spam straight down on them if they go valley or trap them in the house for an extra 3 seconds even if he has to bail and he can still jump back if he gets overwhelmed.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396576 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:20:42 +0200 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396563 Quoted from ThePledge
5. "the epsilon strat" - For the lack of a better term, I saw them do this often the first. You rollout your demoman and soldier and valley scout through the enemy valley with your own medic. Roam a soldier in, hit them as they come out of house (as the demo can have 3-4 sticks at the house as the medic exists).
YES! This is quite possibly one of the best roll-outs in the game. It is just SO effective! I learned this roll-out roughly a year ago when wai joined my team and I've been sharing it with many others since. p.s. it's called "nigger surprise"]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396563 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:19:50 +0200 Reply by Kaneco https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396561 Quoted from atmo
NA roamer can be on the enemy balcony by the time the medic arrives in house source: some technosex video
Those are very specific and rare situations, much like the demoman jumping their bridge]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396561 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:07:32 +0200 Reply by atmo https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396558 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396558 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:46:44 +0200 Reply by iFrankTheTank https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396554 Quoted from Mercy
[...] That doesn't make sense, NA roamers reach mid as fast as EU roamers, and they both get ~300 hp before they jump, the only difference is that the NA roamer will have +25 more hp or so, and NO SHOTGUN (and the fact he can jump again and again with ease, but now thats irrelevant to killing the medic coming out of house right?)
Have to disagree, the valley route can be done much quicker with the extra jumps available to an NA roamer, making the NA roamer faster..probably arriving with similar health to EU roamer after jumping more.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396554 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:54:35 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396553 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396553 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:52:39 +0200 Reply by rumia https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396551 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396551 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:42:46 +0200 Reply by Cool_rero https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396549 Quoted from Monkeh
[...] Gunboats makes medic coming out of house far too easy to kill.
That doesn't make sense, NA roamers reach mid as fast as EU roamers, and they both get ~300 hp before they jump, the only difference is that the NA roamer will have +25 more hp or so, and NO SHOTGUN (and the fact he can jump again and again with ease, but now thats irrelevant to killing the medic coming out of house right?)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396549 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:37:51 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396547 Quoted from CrashSite
On this note, on Badlands apparently the Americans go valley as default rollout, is this true? If so, why is not true in EU?
Gunboats makes medic coming out of house far too easy to kill.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=tactics&topic=22029&post=396547 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:19:55 +0200 Reply by ouch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-22029/page-1/?recent=396613#post=396546 Quoted from ThePledge
There is one team in prem who really goes valley rollout 75+% of the team. I think it's Epsilon
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