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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;I am new to this competetive stuff and I have some questions&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by WabbitsFoot</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-2/?recent=331976#post=331976</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Forsak3n</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
As I know you shouldn't pay till you get into Invite Division. (As I know there are 3 divisions named - Open -&#62; Intermediate -&#62; Invite) :p

Good luck in ya future mate.</blockquote>

SOrry for the double, but afaik you need to pay 7(?)$ per month to be able to participate in any division, but invite teams need to pay an up front like, 500$ or something.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:54:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by WabbitsFoot</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-2/?recent=331976#post=331975</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Another free, lower level league is TWL.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:53:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by worskies</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331969</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm taking a look at UGC and it seems to be a pretty ok league, so I'm making a team there! Thanks for the help, gentlemen.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 04:53:34 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331638</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Holy Donut</i>
		<blockquote>Thank you, but before I depart can someone guide me to a league similar to ETF2L? I took a look at ESEA and it looks a bit too serious business for my taste. Or maybe I'm being a bit dramatic -.-

And wtf is premium? Man, this is weird.

EDIT: I have to pay to play with ESEA, which is supposedly the most popular league in NA? ETF2L, why can't you be a global league?!</blockquote>

Dunno what to say other than be deadly honest, the NA scene is a joke compared to over here in EU :( .

ESEA is the serious business league, check out <a href="http://www.cevo.com/" rel="nofollow">CEVO</a> and <a href="http://www.ugcleague.com/" rel="nofollow">UGC</a>. Hopefully they'll be a bit more along the lines of what you're looking for.

gl!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:23:46 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by y4eHuK</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331632</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Holy Donut</i>
		<blockquote>Thank you, but before I depart can someone guide me to a league similar to ETF2L? I took a look at ESEA and it looks a bit too serious business for my taste. Or maybe I'm being a bit dramatic -.-

And wtf is premium? Man, this is weird.

EDIT: I have to pay to play with ESEA, which is supposedly the most popular league in NA? ETF2L, why can't you be a global league?!</blockquote>
As I know you shouldn't pay till you get into Invite Division. (As I know there are 3 divisions named - Open -&#62; Intermediate -&#62; Invite) :p

Good luck in ya future mate.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:06:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by doksisthebest</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331631</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Holy Donut</i>
		<blockquote>Thank you, but before I depart can someone guide me to a league similar to ETF2L? I took a look at ESEA and it looks a bit too serious business for my taste. Or maybe I'm being a bit dramatic -.-

And wtf is premium? Man, this is weird.

EDIT: I have to pay to play with ESEA, which is supposedly the most popular league in NA? ETF2L, why can't you be a global league?!</blockquote>


I`m pretty sure you can play without the premium.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:04:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by AcidReniX</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331630</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from naMu</i>
		<blockquote>2) yes they can but they cannot be out of the respawn with 2 demomen since the limit is 1. and when your demoman dies and someone else picks up demomant while he is on respawn timer... it's not exactly illegal, but questionable yes.
</blockquote>

It's such a grey area, just no one has really bothered to exploit it too much. If your medic dies, you could technically switch someone to medic immediately and give yourself 15 seconds of uber you wouldn't normally have.

Also, you can send a demoman really aggresive, and keep someone in spawn. Second your demoman dies, you change a second player to demoman and get back in position for the defence. A lot of enemy teams will try to push once your demoman is down, even if they aren't in a great position (no uber yet etc..). It will be a suprise for them to see there is a demoman in position waiting to defend.

Grey area! The only time I've really seen it used is on gravelpit when trying to defend C. Demoman dies and say, your medic will swap to demoman because otherwise they have no chance getting on the tower in time.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:42:55 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by worskies</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331628</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Thank you, but before I depart can someone guide me to a league similar to ETF2L? I took a look at ESEA and it looks a bit too serious business for my taste. Or maybe I'm being a bit dramatic -.-

And wtf is premium? Man, this is weird.

EDIT: I have to pay to play with ESEA, which is supposedly the most popular league in NA? ETF2L, why can't you be a global league?!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:38:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Noeandee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331626</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Good luck Donut, and have fun with your competitive adventure :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:30:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by worskies</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331625</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Forsak3n</i>
		<blockquote><strong>Holy Donut</strong>, it is European League, so it is not comfortable for you to play here.
Check this out http://esea.net/ for NA league.</blockquote>Honestly wasn't aware that it would make much of a difference, but after looking at the nationalities, I guess you're right. I don't want to be playing with a 200 ping. I'll check out that league and sorry for the inconvenience everyone.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:21:26 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by S1M0N</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Nvm really]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:16:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by WildEast</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Forsak3n</i>
		<blockquote><strong>Holy Donut</strong>, it is European League, so it is not comfortable for you to play here.
Check this out http://esea.net/ for NA league.</blockquote>

^
Playtimes/Pings will make you suffer, ETF2L is most suited for afros.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 09:28:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by y4eHuK</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/tactics/topic-18213/page-1/?recent=331976#post=331615</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<strong>Holy Donut</strong>, it is European League, so it is not comfortable for you to play here.
Check this out http://esea.net/ for NA league.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 09:06:21 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by y4eHuK</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[1. It hasn't been set to have, so you can modify your line-up as you want but the "default" line-up will be much more considered &#38; easier to play. =)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 08:15:52 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by namu</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[1) no, only limits are class limit 1 on medic, demo, heavy. Reason why everyone is playing 2 scouts, 2 sollies, 1demo, 1 medic is that it has formed to be the 'cookie cutter' team build and the most effective one. You can use what ever mix up of classes within these limits.

2) yes they can but they cannot be out of the respawn with 2 demomen since the limit is 1. and when your demoman dies and someone else picks up demomant while he is on respawn timer... it's not exactly illegal, but questionable yes.

also, read this trough:
http://etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-12510/?recent=274229]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 08:08:12 +0200</pubDate>
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