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    	    <title>Reply by ashkan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-2/?recent=334455#post=334455</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from d2m</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country</blockquote>

Yeah, people always mix those two up. Wouldn't want to the easterners to think they're part of the third world!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:03:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-2/?recent=334455#post=334417</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ashkan</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World">This</a> third world?</blockquote>

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:55:33 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashkan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-2/?recent=334455#post=334237</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Ghent</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
a third world denizen</blockquote>

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World">This</a> third world?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:08:20 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Gent</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-2/?recent=334455#post=334234</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ashkan</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Off-topic: What does "thirdie" refer to?</blockquote>
a third world denizen]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:41:55 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashkan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-2/?recent=334455#post=334231</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from d2m</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

This x9001, plus they have an awesome Eastern European support team. So you can play the "guess what the thirdie is saying" game.</blockquote>

Off-topic: What does "thirdie" refer to?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:14:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-2/?recent=334455#post=334230</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Яyan</i>
		<blockquote>I'm on be, never looked back.</blockquote>

This x9001, plus they have an awesome Eastern European support team. So you can play the "guess what the thirdie is saying" game.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:52:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Grimm</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334227</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm on be, never looked back.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:39:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by drizzy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334173</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CrashSite</i>
		<blockquote>Hmm the only thing about be BeThere is that they would have to install a new line at my house, which would be £85.00...</blockquote>

I think that would apply for most alternative providers as they'll all be based on ADSL2 or VDSL2 and thus having a phoneline. 

You don't necessarily need to go with Be for phone though - BT or someone might offer free line install if you sign up to a ridiculously long contract and you'd have phone/broadband billed separately.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:52:46 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by r7an</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334155</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>They're all pretty shit. Virgin is the least shit currently. I'd stick with them.</blockquote>

rubbish mate.  there's much better, smaller companies out there who provide a far better service than virgin media.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:53:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by r7an</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334154</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[fast.co.uk &#38; adsl24 are very good]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:52:20 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CrashSite</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334150</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hmm the only thing about be BeThere is that they would have to install a new line at my house, which would be £85.00...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:33:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by drizzy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334146</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm with BeThere in SW London (as linked above) and very very happy. I'd check the location of your telephone exchange - as if it's a long way away then the jarring loss of download speed might be a pain. 

With the connection set to fastpath I get a stable 5-6ms to bbc.co.uk and seemingly good routing to most of europe. I pasted a tracert in the other thread to jolt.co.uk, but can add some more tonight to other places if you want!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:13:52 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334090</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kingexe</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
depends on your exchange, virgin overloads teh shit out of some of them</blockquote>

Every single thing in consumer-orientated computing is overloaded. EVERYTHING. It doesn't make financial sense not to.

For example, if you buy web hosting that costs £4/month, it's probably on a dedi server that costs like £80/month, and has over a thousand customers websites on it at £4/month.

Could it handle the load if every single person's website was accessed at the same time? Nope, not a chance.

The chances of that actually EVER occuring? Pretty damn near zero.

The idea is to get the right balance on the overloading. When it's perfect everybody wins (company makes more profit, consumers get it cheaper). The problem occurs when scummy companies try to cut it too fine in pursuit of profit, and end up going overstepping the market, cutting down on the quality/speed/bandwidth/etc.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:21:28 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kingexe</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334080</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Wolf :D</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I'm on the same package as you, I get 8ping on UK around 20ping on german/dutch servers.</blockquote>
depends on your exchange, virgin overloads teh shit out of some of them]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:57:37 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Wulfzord</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-18338/page-1/?recent=334455#post=334077</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CrashSite</i>
		<blockquote>60-70 ping on german servers, 40 on UK, with about 20 jitter. Yeah, fuck VM.</blockquote>

I'm on the same package as you, I get 8ping on UK around 20ping on german/dutch servers.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:52:28 +0200</pubDate>
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