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    	    <title>Reply by Creamer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-17117/page-3/?recent=310995#post=310995</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kyur</i>
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By comparing the benchmarks of the two cards, the HD6870 is superior in those games that I want to play. What I want to know which of the cards perform better on the Source engine (Looking @ TF2), that probably will decide which card I take. And would it really pay back getting a MSI GeForce GTX560 Ti, 1GB, GDDR5, Twin Frozr II  in the long run ? And if I buy a 600W psu and use it with this build will it be less power efficient then a 500W psu?</blockquote>

Yeah there's not much difference between a 560ti and 6870, either are very good. <a href="http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html">http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html</a>

In terms of the source engine, TF2 particularly is notoriously CPU limited performance wise. Your CPU will completely kill the game even with a much lower spec card, so no worries there.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:41:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by MAD.MIKE</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-17117/page-3/?recent=310995#post=310981</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What's your fucking problem ? If you don't want to help then don't. No one is forcing you.
Talk about your problems with someone who cares.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:57:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-17117/page-3/?recent=310995#post=310970</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[how is this person so stupid, i have 2 rules that serve me well when coping with people on the internet and this explains 100% of all cases like this

1. if subject is putting someone or something down, or hyping something up despite the presence of factual evidence to prove his point otherwise, then logically this is making them feel important in some way.

2. the 50% rule... imagine someone of average intelligence. 50% of the world are more stupid than this.

I have found my inner peace again.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:00:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by MAD.MIKE</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-17117/page-3/?recent=310995#post=310965</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the replies.
After doing some more research I came to a final build:

CPU - Intel Core i5-2500K (3.30 GHz, 6MB Cache, LGA1155)
MOBO - Asus P8P67-M B3
RAM - Kingston 4GB, DDR3, 1333MHz, CL9, Kit Of 2
HDD - Samsung 1TB 7200RPM 32MB Spinpoint F3
DVD - Samsung SH-222AB, DVD+/-RW, 22x, Sata, Black
CASE - Thermaltake V3 Mid Tower, Black Edition
GX - Giga Byte Radeon HD6870, 1GB, GDDR5, OC    OR      Asus GeForce GTX560, 1GB, GDDR5, DirectCU II OC
PSU - Corsair 600W, 12cm Fan, ATX12V2.2, 80+


By comparing the benchmarks of the two cards, the HD6870 is superior in those games that I want to play. What I want to know which of the cards perform better on the Source engine (Looking @ TF2), that probably will decide which card I take. And would it really pay back getting a MSI GeForce GTX560 Ti, 1GB, GDDR5, Twin Frozr II  in the long run ? And if I buy a 600W psu and use it with this build will it be less power efficient then a 500W psu?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:49:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Creamer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-17117/page-3/?recent=310995#post=310954</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'd suggest a 560ti for the GFX card if you're going NVIDIA, as someone else said. Nicely priced (£180-£200) and it's a high end card that will futureproof you for major games like BF3. Otherwise maybe wait a bit if you've got a passable GFX card at the moment and the 570, 580 and 590 should drop in price.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:56:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-17117/page-3/?recent=310995#post=310952</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Sketch</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

such as buying nvidia because you are a fanboy. 

i honestly cant believe people can use these shit excuses, when the underlying issue is not the hardware behind the brand, it is the brand itself and that you are an easily convinced consumer who will by the product that gets advertised the most. 

this is like saying there is more to a book than just reading it; you can use it to wipe your arse as well. consider what a graphics card does in a gaming system..... renders 3d.

edit: also i once owned an nvidia fx5200 which had bad drivers and would not run css well. therefore all nvidia card future generations are shit (this is your own logic) past experience with a brand of graphics cards when there are only 2 companies competing in the gaming market is a very flawed way to judge due to the extremely high level of competition to control the market and therefore huge amounts of cash going into the development of new hardware, drivers, better support, and advertising. This will cause the "best card of the moment" to be a very volatile thing indeed.</blockquote>

I buy nvidia because the drivers are actually capable of doing what I want them to do. I don't want to bitch about with powerstrip to get it to do basic functions (720p24, 1080p60 to projector. And no, not some random benq or acer PoS). Nvidia allows me to do that. I have used an bought ATI and it didn't allow me to do such things. As I said before, there is more to a gpu than just gaming performance. The ATI cards aimed at gamers all perform pretty well in games (when the drivers work, and if not then in about ~1month after game release), but anything other than that is just dire (based on my on experiences with multiple gpu's from both brands). As I said before; Id rather pay less for the same product (which is what ATI/AMD fanboys want people to believe), but in reality it simply aint the same product.

Ps. the FX5200 is fucking dire, why would you buy that PoS? It was never meant to run css well (iirc its like an MX400 or someting)! Its like complaining intergrated graphics doesn't work well in games. I know what you are trying to achieve with that troll statement, but it just shows you are completely missing the point.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:17:30 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rake</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[If you havent had any issues with ati drivers, lucky you. I went with nvidia for my newest build just because ati drivers are fucking dire. I mean if you cant get anything as basic as gpu scaling to work on xp...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:21:06 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-17117/page-3/?recent=310995#post=310707</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Koeitje</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

No, I also base it on my own experience. Besides, there is more to a gpu than just 3d rendering.</blockquote>

such as buying nvidia because you are a fanboy. 

i honestly cant believe people can use these shit excuses, when the underlying issue is not the hardware behind the brand, it is the brand itself and that you are an easily convinced consumer who will by the product that gets advertised the most. 

this is like saying there is more to a book than just reading it; you can use it to wipe your arse as well. consider what a graphics card does in a gaming system..... renders 3d.

edit: also i once owned an nvidia fx5200 which had bad drivers and would not run css well. therefore all nvidia card future generations are shit (this is your own logic) past experience with a brand of graphics cards when there are only 2 companies competing in the gaming market is a very flawed way to judge due to the extremely high level of competition to control the market and therefore huge amounts of cash going into the development of new hardware, drivers, better support, and advertising. This will cause the "best card of the moment" to be a very volatile thing indeed.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:34:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[from a technical stand point ati cards since the 4000 series have been far superior. where as nvidia have just thrown money at devs.

before that i was an nvidia fanboy. through and through. now i see no reason to buy an inferior product or a brand new product when you can compare the performance gains of older high end cards over mid range modern ones, and will continue doing so no matter what "brand" that happens to be. hopefully will be getting a couple of gtx 560's when they appear on ebay a bit cheaper for example.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:29:19 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kyur</i>
		<blockquote>I'm not a fanboy or anything, I considered buying an ATI card cuz it has better performance than equivalent nvidia cards, I just have herd more people complain about their ATI cards, than nvidia.

So what you wrote is not what I think at all.</blockquote>

No, I also base it on my own experience. Besides, there is more to a gpu than just 3d rendering.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:27:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by MAD.MIKE</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm not a fanboy or anything, I considered buying an ATI card cuz it has better performance than equivalent nvidia cards, I just have herd more people complain about their ATI cards, than nvidia.

So what you wrote is not what I think at all.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:03:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-17117/page-2/?recent=310995#post=310694</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[sorry i have to bite:

So you are basically saying that because splash damage studio failed to make a game that was compatible with <em>current</em> hardware which runs on tried and tested drivers, which have performed well in many brand new games over the last 3 years or so, it is ati's fault?  THIS IS ATI'S FAULT? I applaud you for your boundless ignorance in the face of basic common sense and also for your grotesque stupidity in believing so much fanboy bullshit. i believe i dont need to say any more on the matter, it kind of argues for its self.

+ http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nvidia+brink+issues

+ but remember this http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/warning-nvidia-19675-drivers-can-kill-your-graphics-card/7551 funny i don't remember ati ever having this problem with their drivers.

you speak bullshit.

Anyone saying my card is the best because of the drivers, or my card is the best because i get more fps in "insert individual game name here"(which has been developed entirely on said brands hardware) is obviously of comparable intellect to an inbred newt. learn to use the internet, research the facts about your hardware.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:57:36 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by MAD.MIKE</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[OK, this is what I came up with: http://www.dateks.lv/grozs?content=q1ZKL8qvKlayqlYyNTQ2MAExirMTM0uAQoa1OkqmBsYmxuiCxuaGpkYYKo0tTTC1G5mZmqELmpibWlqiCtbWAgA%3D

Which psu should I take,which gx card is better, and will all of these parts be compatible with each other?

@Sketch As i wrote before i'm not looking at double gx cards, and power consumption is a limitation for me.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:41:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[no point wasting money on new gpu by second hand. especially if its a comp gaming machine, you dont need/ benefit  from latest gpu hardware in terms of ££££'s

(you dont gain enough performance to warrant buying a current gen card, when £150 on ebay can get you last years top end card, which will blow the shit out of a new gen £150 card)

also:

This
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ASUS-Radeon-HD-4870-X2-2048-MB-EAH4870X2HTDI2G-/270760950830?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&#38;hash=item3f0a9c3c2e#ht_500wt_1156
+ this2

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sapphire-ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-/170650734012?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&#38;hash=item27bb938dbc#ht_500wt_1156

in crossfire is the best way to spend £150/£170 on a graphics card/s (in terms of pure performance for money.)

benefits:
huge graphics power compared to ANYTHING at that price range
will run any game at high settings (except brink obviously lol) 

your only limitations are: 
power consumption
heat
dx10.1]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:41:03 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Vazzan</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I used to be an nvidia fan boy for a few years, I refused to go AMD but with my most recent upgrade I went with a 6950, not had any problems with it, performs well, not had any driver crashes (which I used to get sometimes on nvidia) so far I'm really happy with it, had it for about 4 months now]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:38:27 +0200</pubDate>
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