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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=252028</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[NO U

Oh well. It's easy and I get paid to use it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:47:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=252008</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>What's with all the hating on VB? Have any of you actually even tried .NET?</blockquote>

yes, and it sucks dick)))]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 07:38:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=251992</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What's with all the hating on VB? Have any of you actually even tried .NET?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 01:04:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=251938</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Destrutor</i>
		<blockquote>Can I just download the same type of thing as Strawberry Perl and then code with Notepad++.</blockquote>

yes.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:56:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Destrutor2107</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=251910</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hm, may learn Java instead then, since I only did a tiny bit with pearl, enough to figure out how to 'declare variables' and concatenation, and I don't use linux :D

Can I just download the same type of thing as Strawberry Perl and then code with Notepad++.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:34:19 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=251862</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Ye, CPAN is really nice.

Honestly though, imo you would have been better to learn PHP (Not to say that PHP is better than perl in any way, all languages have pros and cons) simply because I think you'd find a lot more things you could do with it than Perl. Perl is really a language for writing mega fancy linux scripts, and things like Chris's IRC bot are really reaching the limit of what can be done with it. PHP is designed for use on websites (you put your PHP code in the middle of HTML and the web server automatically runs the PHP code when someone loads the webpage without letting them see it). Its bassically the standard for websites these days, ETF2L for example (which is wordpress with a shedload of custom built plugins) is written bassically 100% in PHP, along with the #pixeltf2.pickup bot (which if you ever want to write a big PHP program, is a perfect example of what NOT to do).

Anyway, just a protip for if you are still interested in programming after doing it in school, VB is probably one of the worst programming languages ever made, so get into perl a bit more, or you can try out something like PHP, C# or Java.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:49:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Thrawn</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=251816</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[also in this particular case
<a href="http://www.cpan.org">http://www.cpan.org</a>cpan[/url]]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:01:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=251803</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Google is a programmer's best friend :)

Not saying that to be lazy; it's simply true.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:45:50 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Destrutor2107</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/support/topic-14651/page-2/?recent=252028#post=251801</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from octochris</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

His point is that your errors might be cleaned up by the IDE. I agree with him.

[...]

They're often used just as interfaces with other programs, they do have some power beyond that, but I wouldn't use them for anything particularly complex. For example, ChrisBot (#christf2 on QuakeNet) is written in Perl, and so are some of the scripts I run for my trading, but to be honest if I wanted to write something solid I'd write it in C++, or for solid web programming, ROR.</blockquote>
Ahh right, I think I get it now. Just gotta figure out basic shit, like how to do arrays, loops that kinda thing in it and I'm set. 

Cheers all :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:44:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from atrox_</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

But the way I'm suggesting allows you to do that as well. After getting an error pointed out to you right away you can look at it and work out why it's wrong and next time how to avoid it. Presuming you aren't retarded of course.

At least, that's the way that I did it.</blockquote>

His point is that your errors might be cleaned up by the IDE. I agree with him.

<i>Quoted from Destrutor</i>
		<blockquote>Thanks for the help everyone, one more question though - where exactly do you put perl scripts into use, are they simply used to do certain tasks on webpages and such, or can they be used for more complex things?</blockquote>

They're often used just as interfaces with other programs, they do have some power beyond that, but I wouldn't use them for anything particularly complex. For example, ChrisBot (#christf2 on QuakeNet) is written in Perl, and so are some of the scripts I run for my trading, but to be honest if I wanted to write something solid I'd write it in C++, or for solid web programming, ROR.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:08:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Destrutor2107</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the help everyone, one more question though - where exactly do you put perl scripts into use, are they simply used to do certain tasks on webpages and such, or can they be used for more complex things?

<i>Quoted from Arie</i>
		<blockquote>Why do you need to learn Perl? :)</blockquote>
School, we get taught VB in-depth, and have to teach ourselves the basics of either Perl or PHP, I went for Perl because it sounds nicer :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:31:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by atr0xx</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Every compiler/interpreter loves to print shit as errors. Really when you're learning though, you want to nail the syntax pretty much asap so you're only needing to deal with logical errors and syntax errors become something you find pretty much instantly when given the line number.</blockquote>

But the way I'm suggesting allows you to do that as well. After getting an error pointed out to you right away you can look at it and work out why it's wrong and next time how to avoid it. Presuming you aren't retarded of course.

At least, that's the way that I did it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:23:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from atrox_</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I thought that at first, but in the beginning it's extremely helpful due to it spotting errors you may have missed. I spent many a frustrated hour learning programming due to errors I didn't understand, though, that may have been because the java compiler loves to print some shit as errors.</blockquote>

Every compiler/interpreter loves to print shit as errors. Really when you're learning though, you want to nail the syntax pretty much asap so you're only needing to deal with logical errors and syntax errors become something you find pretty much instantly when given the line number.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:10:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from atrox_</i>
		<blockquote>I spent many a frustrated hour learning programming due to errors I didn't understand</blockquote>

That's exactly how you learn to program.

And yes, java is good at giving errors like that :p]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:09:56 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by atr0xx</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

If you're learning a language you're best off using notepad rather than a full blown IDE that basically types the code for you ^^</blockquote>

I thought that at first, but in the beginning it's extremely helpful due to it spotting errors you may have missed. I spent many a frustrated hour learning programming due to errors I didn't understand, though, that may have been because the java compiler loves to print some shit as errors.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:07:32 +0100</pubDate>
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