I find overwatch very entertaining. Even pubbing solo. That being said its not a substitute for tf2 but that wasnt what I expected. I had no expectations what so ever.

Didn't quite get the HOTS/OW analogy I'm not a moba player, but from what I've heard everyone thinks that HOTS is a super casual version of Dota. So I thought you meant that Overwatch is the casual TF2, and I just reminded how casual the average TF2 class and pub TF2 in general is. Edit: typos

[...] Judging from a pub perspective on both games: I can't see a way OW is more casual/goofy than TF2, everyone seems to forget that 44% of TF2 classes are Medic/Heavy/Engi/Pyro

[...]I'm not going to talk about anything else you've said but the main reason it was cancer is because scout became extremely OP during that time. They're still probably the most powerful class at a high level but during that time it was insane.

[...] Judging from a pub perspective on both games: I can't see a way OW is more casual/goofy than TF2, everyone seems to forget that 44% of TF2 classes are Medic/Heavy/Engi/Pyro [...] HS has been ridiculously healthy class balance wise during the last few expansions. In the LoE meta Druid was nowhere near overpowered and Midrange Shaman was absolutely playable in top legend and all classes are/were almost equally seen on all levels of play, contrary to the claims of some people that the top "X" decks are all they see on ladder. Going back to the topic: In a team game class balance isn't even neccessary! This may sound absurd, but TF2 never had the class balance in the first place, can you even compare the power levels of Medic/Demo to those of Spy/Engi? TF2 is literally a game where you can suicide your entire team on some maps to force an ability of a single character. Sacrificing a weaker class for a stronger one is a great trade. And despite that highlander is still alive and kicking, just because the game itself plays out well. When I'm playing pyro I'm not concerned that the demo deals way more damage than I do, I'm more concerned about the different power levels of all the classes and how they end up creating a fun game to play. Do you remember the small period of time when they lowered the demoman power level and the game became simply cancer? Even though the classes were more balanced in that period, the metagame was stagnant and boring as hell, Valve then quickly realized that a healthy game is not neccessarily made of classes with similar power levels, but rather from the fun environment the different classes and their varied power levels create.

Heroes of the Storm is to Dota 2 what Overwatch is to TF2.

class balance is still worse than in Hearthstone

[...] "JUSTI-"*dies