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    	    <title>Reply by The_Burger</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Clark</i>
		<blockquote>I'm a big fan of SW Universe </blockquote>

High five :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:46:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Goreston</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-32181/page-3/?recent=546104#post=545999</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from RTC</i>
		<blockquote>Most people don't seem to have any major qualms with the first Matrix movie, even though both Episode 1 and The Matrix were released in the same year and suffer from the same kind of issues. The difference I feel between them is that people thought Star Wars had to match up to a pre-established tone from the originals, and the fact that they didn't do it means that it got labelled as a failure. The Matrix didn't have that issue, and it was only during the later films that people began to catch onto the flaws that were always present in the first movie, just on a lesser scale.
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I don't think that's fair. The first Matrix film still stands up really well, partly because of the way they mixed practical effects with CGI, and partly because the story is straightforward and internally coherent. It was a victim of its own success, in that the story at the end of the first film is complete. They turned what was originally supposed to be a stand-alone film into a trilogy, and abandoned both the rules of the matrix and the practical effects along the way.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:40:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hildreth</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Goreston</i>
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The problem with the saber fights in the prequels is that they are over-choreographed. They're visually impressive, but they don't tell a story the same way the fights in the original trilogy do. Look at the way Vader casually fights one-handed at the start of the duel in Empire, and then the speed with which he ends the fight after Luke actually gets a hit in. Look at Luke's loss of temper in Jedi when Vader threatens to turn Leia. Then compare Obi-Wan's supposed loss of temper after Qui-Gonn dies, and the sterility of the fight that follows.</blockquote>

I agree the atmosphere in the original series was much better, but in general I loved the fights in the prequels. But the action sequences do not make up for all of the bland acting, horrible plot sequences, terrible story telling and Vader yelling "NOOOOOOOO".]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:38:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Goreston</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from damneasy</i>
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You tell me you didnt like the fight scene between Obi Wan and Qui Gon Ginn Vs Darth Maul???</blockquote>

The problem with the saber fights in the prequels is that they are over-choreographed. They're visually impressive, but they don't tell a story the same way the fights in the original trilogy do. Look at the way Vader casually fights one-handed at the start of the duel in Empire, and then the speed with which he ends the fight after Luke actually gets a hit in. Look at Luke's loss of temper in Jedi when Vader threatens to turn Leia. Then compare Obi-Wan's supposed loss of temper after Qui-Gonn dies, and the sterility of the fight that follows.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:32:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hallow</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[difference between the two being that matrix is dumb going from a to b. ep 1 is dumb going from ????? to eventually "anakin almost dying and becoming vader". that was always the intention of the prequels and they didnt have enough actual plot to make good movies. 

i guess the matrix equivalent would've been if the wachowskis had gone "hey, a guy dodging bullets in slow motion would be pretty cool, let's make a weird snail rabbit thing talk for the remaining 1 hour 59 minutes."]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:18:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RTC</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-32181/page-2/?recent=546104#post=545935</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Hallow</i>
		<blockquote>matrix wss at least well written, while ep 1 wouldn't pass as a kindergarden assignment</blockquote>

https://youtu.be/8m_qMDOQIcI?t=1m16s (Matrix spoilers if you haven't seen it by the way)

Not to say that the prequels were well written, but underneath the philosophy of The Matrix lies some pretty dumb stuff.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:02:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hallow</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-32181/page-2/?recent=546104#post=545933</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[matrix wss at least well written, while ep 1 wouldn't pass as a kindergarden assignment]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 19:50:06 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RTC</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Most people don't seem to have any major qualms with the first Matrix movie, even though both Episode 1 and The Matrix were released in the same year and suffer from the same kind of issues. The difference I feel between them is that people thought Star Wars had to match up to a pre-established tone from the originals, and the fact that they didn't do it means that it got labelled as a failure. The Matrix didn't have that issue, and it was only during the later films that people began to catch onto the flaws that were always present in the first movie, just on a lesser scale.

I still like all six Star Wars movies, and I still think the originals are superior movies for their overall tone and impact. But I feel the prequels are more of a victim of timing, and that the flaws with the movies are blown out of proportion to express disappointment.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 19:44:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Angrand Jeremie</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Funs</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

yes</blockquote>
You aren't human.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 19:25:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jai Chapman</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from damneasy</i>
		<blockquote>You tell me you didnt like the fight scene between Obi Wan and Qui Gon Ginn Vs Darth Maul???</blockquote>

yes]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2015 20:57:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DamnEasy</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from skeej</i>
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Yup, JJ Abrams still didnt redeem himself after the farce that was Lost. I guess people are right tho in saying that he can't possibly do worse than Lucas on ep1-3.

Trailer looked amazing, but trailers will be trailers.


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oh and anyone who says anything positive about ep1-3 is an idiot, doesn't know his movies, and has no taste, OBJECTIVELY
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You tell me you didnt like the fight scene between Obi Wan and Qui Gon Ginn Vs Darth Maul???]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:38:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from fraac</i>
		<blockquote>Trailer reminds me of Star Trek 2009. Will be an entertaining film with little substance, JJ style. Star Wars fans are lucky he isn't directing the next one.</blockquote>

Yup, JJ Abrams still didnt redeem himself after the farce that was Lost. I guess people are right tho in saying that he can't possibly do worse than Lucas on ep1-3.

Trailer looked amazing, but trailers will be trailers.


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oh and anyone who says anything positive about ep1-3 is an idiot, doesn't know his movies, and has no taste, OBJECTIVELY
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:05:55 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hallow</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[i just want it to be cool. even the first three movies weren't _amazing_ as movies but they were pretty fucking cool. i mean we could end up with an average film that tries to be all artsy instead of just an awesome movie, kinda like fury road. if it does what mad max did, or even half of it, it'll be sick.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:05:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Toodles</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I used to be massively into Star Wars but that has faded over time. I don't really have any expextations, I'm going to watch and hopefully it will be good.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:35:41 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tommy0Dude</title>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:08:13 +0200</pubDate>
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