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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;nake your own music!&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-29528/page-1/?recent=503051#post=503051</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[In the spirit of keeping things legit, Reaper's evaluation version is completely unlimited:

www.reaper.fm]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:14:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by xInuy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-29528/page-1/?recent=503051#post=503019</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[duh,

download ableton live from any warez site, get an invite for pluginaudio or any other sample/vst pirate site, read shit from reddit music production subreddit.

if you want to start to "make your own music" dont use crap online daws, placing premade loops with some crappy limitations doesn't look any good.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 04:11:09 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by nevier</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-29528/page-1/?recent=503051#post=502994</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from quintosh</i>
		<blockquote>logic 8</blockquote>

doenst it cost 100€ and is only available for mac?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 01:17:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Yes.</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-29528/page-1/?recent=503051#post=502929</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Usually web-based <strong>MUSIC MAKING APPS</strong> that rely on putting a sample after sample like this one are aids and get boring really fast since amount of stuff you can do is really limited, getting any DAW is going to be much more fun with all the possible plugins you can get. Cheapest and smallest analog synthesizers that are basically like toys from Thomann for example are not that expensive either, a Korg Monotron or Korg Monotribe that are around 40-150 euros can guarantee you lots of fun with all the knobs that you can turn and see what they do and how and why they affect the sound the way they do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VQspEzlK_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkvpSkzcYWU
These Monotribe live jams really make me want to get one ;w;]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 18:29:28 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by quintosh</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from skeej</i>
		<blockquote>Yeah because you guys obviously paid for those apps :D


</blockquote>
u better prove the contrary]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 17:06:30 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Yeah because you guys obviously paid for those apps :D


You can get anything done with any of the more (semi)-pro DAW apps, but I would never recommend Reason to anyone, because of its closed nature and archaïc and skeuomorphic GUI design. It's only good for people who have been used to working with mostly hardware and switching to a software-based approach later on in their music making 'career'. I repeat though: You can get anything done with any DAW, it's just a matter of preference. Just doesn't seem logical to me to recommend Reason to the majority of people that are starting out, and never touched a piece of studio equipment in their life.

Of all DAWs currently out there I'd recommend Ableton Live because of its accessibility, widespread support, and great flexibility. There's no other DAW that can be bent towards one's workflow like Ableton. Other DAWs force a very specific workflow onto the user. Oh and I don't even use Ableton myself, so it's not like "i use X so X is best".]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:32:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Permzilla</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-29528/page-1/?recent=503051#post=502898</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from quintosh</i>
		<blockquote>logic 8</blockquote>

Reason &#62; Logic]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:18:02 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by quintosh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-29528/page-1/?recent=503051#post=502897</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[logic 8]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:12:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-29528/page-1/?recent=503051#post=502887</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[This is terrible. 

It's an interesting look into the future to see all these web based content creation / creativity applications, but currently all these apps are all, aside from being nice proof-of-concepts, a giant ass joke. 

They're slow, cumbersome, limited in options, slow, and did I mention SLOOOOOOOOOOOW? There's no such thing as an effective workflow in these web based resource mongering apps.

There's tons of free/open DAW applications out there, not to mention many semi-pro applications with free trials and/or stripped down editions at affordable prices.

Examples of completely free apps:

- LMMS
- Jeskola Buzz
- ACID Express
- Mulab
- Frinika
- Traverso

Because obviously we all don't pirate!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:16:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Created by nevier</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-29528/page-1/?recent=503051#post=502822</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[http://soundation.com/studio
you dont have to pay hundreds of dollars to make your own electro,dance whatever song.
its pretty easy to use. i also made <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YHFgfhFc-c">one</a>
takes some time to get used to everything bu overall its a fucking awesome programm. enjoy.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2014 05:14:20 +0200</pubDate>
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