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    	    <title>Reply by WARHURYEAH</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-27109/page-2/?recent=469538#post=469538</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Had Virgin, they were really good at first, no issues at all. However their speeds became increasingly shit, got to a point where I couldn't even watch YouTube videos and had to wait for them to buffer, any streaming media was awful.

Switched to BT and it's been awesome, good consistent service.

In terms of customer service BT are a lot better, technical support is better and I don't have the "Urgh, I have to ring them." kinda attitude that I had with VM.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 08 Sep 2013 21:56:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Droidster</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-27109/page-2/?recent=469538#post=469535</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Holy shit not plusnet, they have been the bane of my internet life for the past few years.  It varies between days but sometimes my internet will just disconnect for a minute or something and come back on, the speeds I get are pretty bad and when they sent an engineer to try and fix it nothing happened. plsno]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 08 Sep 2013 21:47:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by EmilioEstevez</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-27109/page-2/?recent=469538#post=469165</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If you want to stream you will have to cap your upload at 1800kb/s max as anything over that will trigger the throttling over 2hrs on Virgin.

In all honesty I don't notice the difference between say 50Mb and 100Mb download much, but I really notice the upload throttling when I want to stream at good quality. I think Sky or BT offer a 50Mb+ truly unlimited package and if you can get that you should.

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/products/broadband/packages?infinity=yes]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 20:51:32 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by nignogscot</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-27109/page-1/?recent=469538#post=469162</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I have really bad experience with TalkTalk, Virgin is alright and so is Sky. No idea about BT.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 20:39:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sideshow</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm in the manchester area btw, near withington if anybody else is round there and has heard any more specific things since it's area dependent.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:33:33 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Trane</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Never had any probs with plusnet or sky.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 18:06:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GeorgeStorm</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Feel the need to comment re: Virgin.

I've had Virgin for the 2 years previous to where I am now, first was ok, on the 50mb package and it was pretty good.
Was on the '60mb' package last year, and it was horrific, poor performance almost all year, and pretty bad customer service, being difficult to contact without having to pay. Spent 30mins on the phone to them at one point, only to find out nothing I had spoken to the person about had actually happened, so I had to go through the entire process again.
I personally will be avoiding them in the future if possible.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 17:58:47 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Toregant</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Virgin have the best customer support. Anything that isn't Virgin or BT don't bother with.

Go for fibre if possible, if not just go for BT. Anything down the BT lines that isn't a BT paying customer has the chance of their net being toggled to provide better connection for the BT customer. (You'll just notice a slower download speed but it's not likely to affect your game connection.)

BT Infinity compared to Virgin fibre have different things going for them. On the one hand there's Virgin who are a good company and they can have high speeds but they can be quite unstable in their service (dependent on area obv) but that can cause some frustrating days for them to fix it.

Whereas with BT they seem to be more stable but you might not get a higher speed than on Virgin and BT customer support sucks balls. At least with Virgin just threaten with leaving after you've been with them for a year and they'll do anything to keep you if you can't get your way but with BT they do everything they can to not help you.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 17:45:20 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by theBEASTxMZA</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Had Virgin fibre since they made it available in my area.  I live, quite literally, 200m from the nearest 'hub'-place-thingy-virgin-bigbuildingplace-thing.

Had impeccable service with them on their top internet package....up until about a month or two ago.  Since then, it has gone to absolute wank.  HUGE fluctuations in the speeds I get.  Within the space of 5 minutes it can change from near maxing out at around 100 down and then dropping to a mere 0.5 down.  It happens more often during the evening...right when the team is scrimming -____-

That said, called up custom service a few weeks back.  Fairly helpful.  They said it could be the modem (their 'Virgin Hub') was choking it so they sent an engineer the next day and provided their new hub.  Helped out somewhat, but still pretty fucked.
I'm not the only one either.  Know of 4 or 5 others that have had similar problems.  However, all those guys are located in South London, so could just be issues within the area...meh...

I'm yet to contact them again.  Really can't be arsed.  It's much less frequent now, but when it does spike, it hurts.  Badly.

Virgin has by far the best customer service I have come across in terms of ISP's.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 17:09:27 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[wow hold your horses.. i dont know what you thought i was trying to get at but the question was genuine..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:24:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fishyard</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from konr</i>
		<blockquote>[...]Obviously not, so why be a smartass?</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:33:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Including customer service?</blockquote>Obviously not, so why be a smartass?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:10:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GeorgeStorm</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm currently with plusnet because I'd heard such good things about their customer service, and since we couldn't get fibre here there weren't THAT many options, and they had a good price.

Very mixed results so far, it's fine most of the time I'd say, but can get ping spikes (into the thousands) which make it unplayable, or just a constant 300+ which does the same (with lots of choke and loss).
Contacted them and they made me take a wireshark recording etc, and so they made sure all TF2 packets were being prioritised at the top level, which was great and shows that their customer service is actually decent, however it sadly hasn't solved all my issues.
I think something must be wrong though, since I'll be uploading stuff and housemates watching a stream, then I'll stop the upload and try to play games only for them to be unplayable, but the whole time the stream for my housemates works no problamo?

In contact with them again so will hopefully get it sorted.

td;dr
Plusnet -  Great price, good customer service, currently having some issues but fine most of the time.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:07:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>Also you won't get any good advice in this thread because how good one provider is over another is 100% dependent on the area.</blockquote>

Including customer service?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:34:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[OH GOD SAVE YOURSELF THERES A MINIMUM 5 DAY INSTALLATION PERIOD ORDER IT RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

(/me is totally not sitting in my flat tethering off my phone)

Also you won't get any good advice in this thread because how good one provider is over another is 100% dependent on the area.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 08:04:10 +0200</pubDate>
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