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    	    <title>Reply by Rake</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[http://www.asus.com/Notebooks/Versatile_Performance/K53SM/#specifications

I have the i7/6 gigs of ram version of that, it's slightly above your pricerange (atleast was earlier), but I get a pretty solid 100fps in spammy situations, mostly in the 200-300 range. Just fyi.

Also, +1 to going for 15,6", you're just not gonna get the bang in smaller size.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:37:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Demophon</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[just bought an Asus A55VM Ivy Bridge i5 and im pretty happy with it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 04:26:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by chojje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-23837/page-2/?recent=425637#post=424951</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AnimaL</i>
		<blockquote>[...]look four posts above urs

those two are different laptops with different uses... the 15" acer is for budget gaming but the 14" dell is for mobility, battery life and occasional tf2 :] also the dell having 128GB ssd seems to be a steal for the price

its pretty much choice between small size and big power</blockquote>

Yeah, that's the picture I got from you. I just wanted to make sure it could handle the <em>occasional</em> TF2, and that's exactly what I need. In the end I decided to order the dell one, hopefully it won't let me down! Thanks for the help guys.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:29:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from choiie</i>
		<blockquote>Can anyone give me an idea of what actual difference it is between having an "U" processor and an "M" one?</blockquote>look four posts above urs

those two are different laptops with different uses... the 15" acer is for budget gaming but the 14" dell is for mobility, battery life and occasional tf2 :] also the dell having 128GB ssd seems to be a steal for the price

its pretty much choice between small size and big power]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:17:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by chojje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from trams</i>
		<blockquote>http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010655289/dell-inspiron-14z-ci5-1-7-6gb-128-ssd-hd7570m-14-w7hp/?utm_campaign=prisjakt&#38;utm_source=prisjakt.nu&#38;utm_medium=pricecompare&#38;utm_content=5846

http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010643171/hp-pavilion-dm4-3005-ci5-2-5-6gb-500-14-w7hp/?utm_campaign=prisjakt&#38;utm_source=prisjakt.nu&#38;utm_medium=pricecompare&#38;utm_content=5460</blockquote>

Nice find there; I'm never buying another HP (especially not one labelled as "hot looking") because of previous experiences of all design, no utility.

The Dell one, however, looks really interesting. The choice would stand between http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=761825#extra and http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010655289/dell-inspiron-14z-ci5-1-7-6gb-128-ssd-hd7570m-14-w7hp/?utm_campaign=prisjakt&#38;utm_source=prisjakt.nu&#38;utm_medium=pricecompare&#38;utm_content=5846 , and I guess there's no real reason to opt for the Acer which lacks SSD disk, isnt an ultrabook and has equal specs apart from when it comes to processor. Can anyone give me an idea of what actual difference it is between having an "U" processor and an "M" one?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:46:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tramsig</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-23837/page-2/?recent=425637#post=424891</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010655289/dell-inspiron-14z-ci5-1-7-6gb-128-ssd-hd7570m-14-w7hp/?utm_campaign=prisjakt&#38;utm_source=prisjakt.nu&#38;utm_medium=pricecompare&#38;utm_content=5846

http://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010643171/hp-pavilion-dm4-3005-ci5-2-5-6gb-500-14-w7hp/?utm_campaign=prisjakt&#38;utm_source=prisjakt.nu&#38;utm_medium=pricecompare&#38;utm_content=5460]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:27:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[the cpu is like twice as powerful tho...

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=761536 if u want asus]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 02:42:10 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by chojje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AnimaL</i>
		<blockquote>its decent, but for tf2 id recommend normal i5 "M" instead of this U thing since tf2 is all about cpu... the U letter in cpu name means its underclocked(aka ultra low voltage) to meet much lower power requirements and in general increase battery time instead of give u better cpu performance

you can get good i5 3210M with nvidia 620 or 630 for about 500-600 euros and with fps cfg you should be able to get even 120fps on those

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=761825 wont even need fps config with this :D</blockquote>

Looks interesting, the only difference being it's Acer and lacks SSD. I'm not sure what difference this makes.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:22:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[its decent, but for tf2 id recommend normal i5 "M" instead of this U thing since tf2 is all about cpu... the U letter in cpu name means its underclocked(aka ultra low voltage) to meet much lower power requirements and in general increase battery time instead of give u better cpu performance

you can get good i5 3210M with nvidia 620 or 630 for about 500-600 euros and with fps cfg you should be able to get even 120fps on those

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=761825 wont even need fps config with this :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:06:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by chojje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from taro</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

There are loads to choose from, just go on all the main manufacturers websites and have a look yourself. Good companies to start with: Dell, Samsung, Lenovo, Sony and ASUS.

Companies to avoid: Acer, Compaq, HP, Philips, Toshiba.

Also check out places that do their own: scan.co.uk and overclockers.co.uk (I only know about these UK based ones but I'm sure there are more, EU, based ones).

Make sure you get a laptop with a dedicated GPU from Nvidia or AMD, avoid the ballshit that is Intel HD graphics. This chart gives you an idea of performance of all the cards: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html - all numbers ending with the letter "M" are laptop GPUs.

GL&#38;HF! lol</blockquote>

Thanks!

Alright; since this one seems to have as good specs as my current PC (or better), you think it would be a good buy? http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=761564#extra I've made some adjustments to my budget considering the circumstances, but this looks like it could suit well.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:17:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hovis</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from choiie</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Alright, well if that's the situation can you give me a suggestion on a 15,6" one which would handle TF2? I'm not ruling it out; I used to be used to carrying a 17" one (a big one at that) everywhere, so a slim 15,6" might not be a bad option.</blockquote>

There are loads to choose from, just go on all the main manufacturers websites and have a look yourself. Good companies to start with: Dell, Samsung, Lenovo, Sony and ASUS.

Companies to avoid: Acer, Compaq, HP, Philips, Toshiba.

Also check out places that do their own: scan.co.uk and overclockers.co.uk (I only know about these UK based ones but I'm sure there are more, EU, based ones).

Make sure you get a laptop with a dedicated GPU from Nvidia or AMD, avoid the ballshit that is Intel HD graphics. This chart gives you an idea of performance of all the cards: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html - all numbers ending with the letter "M" are laptop GPUs.

GL&#38;HF! lol]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:12:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by chojje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from taro</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

The smaller the laptop the more expensive, because it costs more to get high quality components in a smaller space than a bigger space. If you want even mediocre gaming performance at that price you will have to look at 15.6" laptops.

BTW those Samsung and Dell laptops are the only 14" ones I could find that have dedicated GPUs. There is probably an ASUS laptop out there somewhere that fits your needs for cheaper but good luck finding it. Other options if you really want a powerful portable laptop are Ultrabooks, but because of the price I don't think you'd be interested. The Dell XPS 14 and Samsung 7 series 14" seem to do a good job of both worlds, ultrabook portability with 15.6" laptop performance.

There are probably other options out there so keep looking and try to keep an open mind, finding good laptops at a good price has and always will be a very difficult task.</blockquote>

Alright, well if that's the situation can you give me a suggestion on a 15,6" one which would handle TF2? I'm not ruling it out; I used to be used to carrying a 17" one (a big one at that) everywhere, so a slim 15,6" might not be a bad option.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:57:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hovis</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from choiie</i>
		<blockquote>Yeah, they look great, but ~1000€ is a bit outside my budget. Since it's mainly for backup gaming, I hope to be able to keep the price down around 500-600€.</blockquote>

The smaller the laptop the more expensive, because it costs more to get high quality components in a smaller space than a bigger space. If you want even mediocre gaming performance at that price you will have to look at 15.6" laptops.

BTW those Samsung and Dell laptops are the only 14" ones I could find that have dedicated GPUs. There is probably an ASUS laptop out there somewhere that fits your needs for cheaper but good luck finding it. Other options if you really want a powerful portable laptop are Ultrabooks, but because of the price I don't think you'd be interested. The Dell XPS 14 and Samsung 7 series 14" seem to do a good job of both worlds, ultrabook portability with 15.6" laptop performance.

There are probably other options out there so keep looking and try to keep an open mind, finding good laptops at a good price has and always will be a very difficult task.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:46:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by chojje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from taro</i>
		<blockquote>http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/pc-peripherals/notebook-computers/high-performance/NP700Z3C-S02UK

IDK if this laptop is available in your country, but I'm sure someone will be selling one on ebay with international/european shipping.. infact here's one i found with a quick search: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Series-7-NP700Z3C-14-750-GB-Intel-Core-i5-3210M-3rd-Gen-6GB-GT-630M-/321038384772

Other option is the XPS 14z: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-14-l421x/pd
But I think you get more performance for your money with the Samsung.</blockquote>

Yeah, they look great, but ~1000€ is a bit outside my budget. Since it's mainly for backup gaming, I hope to be able to keep the price down around 500-600€.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:09:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hovis</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/pc-peripherals/notebook-computers/high-performance/NP700Z3C-S02UK

IDK if this laptop is available in your country, but I'm sure someone will be selling one on ebay with international/european shipping.. infact here's one i found with a quick search: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Series-7-NP700Z3C-14-750-GB-Intel-Core-i5-3210M-3rd-Gen-6GB-GT-630M-/321038384772

Other option is the XPS 14z: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-14-l421x/pd
But I think you get more performance for your money with the Samsung.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:44:51 +0100</pubDate>
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