ETF2L – Latest activity in “The next big FPS esport?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/ Reply by almightybob https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-4/?recent=387453#post=387453 Quoted from skeej
Look at any popular sport. Spectator-wise, they have 1 thing in common: As a viewer, you can see the whole playing field AND the point where the "action" is taking place in the same view/screen. Compared to that TF2 (and every other FPS) has 2 problems: - Action is taking place in multiple places at the same time. - One cannot see a full overview of the complete playing field whilst also being able to clearly see the focus of action.
Not always true. Take any and all motorsports as a counterexample. A spectator at a Formula 1 race sees the cars flash past maybe one corner 70 times, they miss 90% of what's going on. The only way to truly grasp a whole F1 race is on a screen following the action with differing views, and even at that you can't watch all the overtakings at once. Same goes for horse racing. Just because you can't watch the whole thing at once as a spectator doesn't mean people won't plow millions of pounds into it! Although in general I see your point and I agree, without some degree of familiarity with the FPS game in question it can be difficult to follow what's going on. Of course the same could be said for other more popular eSports - when I watch an SC2 cast the only reason I know who's winning is because the commentator tells me, I've never played SC2 in my life. Quoted from skeej
I think another problem with FPS eSports is that it's hard to gauge the gamer's "physical agility" (don't laugh) in terms of dexterity (aim, movement). Speccing from 1st person helps a bit, but when we look at a real life sport, we can actually see a sports player moving his body the way he does, and admire his skill. The skill required to press one's keys on their keyboard and move their mouse is hard to translate to a spectator experience.
I agree, but I suspect that (again) that's more to do with familiarity. When I watch someone score an overhead bicycle kick or hit their tee shot to within a foot of the hole, I know that's difficult to do because I've played football and golf and watched them both a lot. I have plenty of experience in them to compare what I just watched with. Similarly I can appreciate a triple airshot on badlands spire because I play TF2 and know it's tricky. I can see the coordination behind a suicide-sap-uber-push to deal with a strong sentry because I play Highlander, whereas to someone who's never played the game it might seem chaotic or unimpressive, the same way a good tee shot might seem lucky or unimpressive to someone who's never played or heard of golf or something like it.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=387453 Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:43:47 +0200 Reply by derippez https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-4/?recent=387453#post=386879 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386879 Wed, 30 May 2012 12:12:27 +0200 Reply by Sketch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-4/?recent=387453#post=386878 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386878 Wed, 30 May 2012 11:58:03 +0200 Reply by Enef https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-4/?recent=387453#post=386873 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386873 Wed, 30 May 2012 11:01:32 +0200 Reply by jackkai https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-4/?recent=387453#post=386872 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386872 Wed, 30 May 2012 11:01:13 +0200 Reply by Rychius https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-4/?recent=387453#post=386869 Quoted from Tehgnarr
[...] CS 1.6 had some pretty sizable pricepools at one point...like 2-3 years back (maybe still has, I dont follow the scene), if I remember correctly. I think it should be the "biggest" FPS esport. Also: Halo was pretty fucking big in the US (as an esport that is=
1.6 is still in the IEM circuit, that has pretty big moneyz]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386869 Wed, 30 May 2012 10:48:11 +0200 Reply by Will https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-4/?recent=387453#post=386859 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386859 Wed, 30 May 2012 08:37:04 +0200 Reply by Tehgnarr https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-4/?recent=387453#post=386857 Quoted from Monkeh
Has there ever been a 'big' FPS esport? Nevermind the next, where's the first!
CS 1.6 had some pretty sizable pricepools at one point...like 2-3 years back (maybe still has, I dont follow the scene), if I remember correctly. I think it should be the "biggest" FPS esport. Also: Halo was pretty fucking big in the US (as an esport that is=]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386857 Wed, 30 May 2012 07:50:12 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-3/?recent=387453#post=386667 Quoted from SnowiE
Yeah Quake 3 was amazing to see at its height. The problem with games though is that they require so much knowledge to appreciate, for example without knowing exactly what's going on in this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri-00IYp9-U - would you realise that's basically the skill equivalent of hitting about 10 airshots in a row, which is why the crowd goes absolutely nuts?
lol, had to watch it 3 times to work out who won ffs!]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386667 Tue, 29 May 2012 15:51:43 +0200 Reply by Noeandee https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-3/?recent=387453#post=386664 Quoted from freshmeatt
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Read posts thoroughly :)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386664 Tue, 29 May 2012 15:22:52 +0200 Reply by CondoM https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-3/?recent=387453#post=386662 Quoted from trams
[...] As greykarn stated: in the nordic countries RTS stands for less than 3% of the game sales. FPS is still "big" and needs a game to replace 1.6 and Q3.
Well... If game sales would represent esport success then Angry Birds would be an incredibly successful esport already... oh wait http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/172081/ FPS isn't really all that big anymore, there's a reason why quake got replaced with LoL at IEM, you know? ATM, I'd say FPS is dying, mostly cause it needs a game to replace it.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386662 Tue, 29 May 2012 15:07:59 +0200 Reply by SnowiE https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-3/?recent=387453#post=386660 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386660 Tue, 29 May 2012 14:57:28 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-3/?recent=387453#post=386659 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386659 Tue, 29 May 2012 14:56:33 +0200 Reply by tapley https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-3/?recent=387453#post=386658 Quoted from Monkeh
[...] Before my online adventure began. So how big was this FPS esport...Multi thousand pound/dollar tournaments with hundreds or thousands watching? Tens of thousands of participants with no prize money, how do we define 'BIG'? Only asking as I have no idea, but I would imagine compared to the Koreans and their SC tournaments it would have been small time...massively small time. Even that Dota 2 tournament showed what can be done with Valve's bottomless cash bins. What's the record prize money for an FPS tournament?
The CPL in its day with Quake 3 and painkiller was giving out $40,000 dollar prizes for tournament wins, i think even one painkiller cpl world tour win got a $140,000 prize or somthing insane. If quake 5 was made into an amazing build for e-sports tournament game it could go huge tbh, its the perfect e-sports type of game. I don't think you can class Diablo3 as an esport though, despite its impressive sales figures? Its just a game. Edit: 1st CPL NYC World Tour Finals 2005 ($150,000)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386658 Tue, 29 May 2012 14:47:17 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21542/page-3/?recent=387453#post=386657 Quoted from trams
I know that na´vi got a 50k dollar prizecheck at some point, is that big enough for you? ;)
Yes...yes it is. But then, as a 1 off I'm not sure it counts as fully...you know...BIG!!!!!]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=21542&post=386657 Tue, 29 May 2012 14:46:53 +0200