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    	    <title>Reply by dodgydogman</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-3/?recent=384907#post=384907</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Azured</i>
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why would you get both?
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When chrome breaks for me, it means I can use firefox to redownload it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:09:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SyriusA</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-3/?recent=384907#post=384641</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from chipstalaizah</i>
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If you have to redesign the whole page in IE you need to look at your code. Yes, IE is pretty crap, but if it's to a point where the whole site gets smooshed, your code is most likely not up to par.</blockquote>

Ofc I don't mean a complete rewrite of the Page. It just annoys me to adjust the CSS just because MS can't comply with the standards.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 09:15:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pasta</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-3/?recent=384907#post=384640</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from chipstalaizah</i>
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If you have to redesign the whole page in IE you need to look at your code. Yes, IE is pretty crap, but if it's to a point where the whole site gets smooshed, your code is most likely not up to par.</blockquote>

True, but IE needs special tags for many things. Which is obviously retarded
But as you say, if he needs to redo the ENTIRE page for IE. He's probably not writing it properly
Besides, modifying the CSS to fit IE normally isn't the hardest thing to do. (Everything is relative)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 09:07:02 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tehgnarr</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-3/?recent=384907#post=384336</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I dont care who made the browser, if it passes chrome in speed and usability - count me in. But thats still a big "if"]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 11:11:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by chippy</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from SiriusA</i>
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For me as a webdesigner, IE is a pain in the ass. I always have to redesign the whole page just for IE. </blockquote>

If you have to redesign the whole page in IE you need to look at your code. Yes, IE is pretty crap, but if it's to a point where the whole site gets smooshed, your code is most likely not up to par.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 10:11:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SyriusA</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from octochris</i>
		<blockquote>You have the choice between a browser made by a company which has consistently ignored standards, instead opting to force the user to do whatever the fuck they want at the expense of everyone (just look at all of the fucking stupid hacks people have to make to accommodate even recent Internet Explorer releases), or, you could actually use a standards compliant browser that isn't a crock of proprietary dog shit.</blockquote>
This!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:22:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pasta</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from SiriusA</i>
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For me as a webdesigner, IE is a pain in the ass. I always have to redesign the whole page just for IE. 
In all fairness IE got better with every version, but it still doesn't display things like all the other Browsers.
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Fucking said. I'm a student and IE is the fucking arse of the internet. Always needs 'special' coding.. I still prefer Firefox over Chrome, I started with Firefox and never saw the need to change I guess

mfw http://myfacewhen.com/185/ people in this thread actually like IE]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:10:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Azured</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kvux</i>
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Some companies do that? Forcing people to use shit software sounds like a retards idea tbh
I would understand if it were software that only they had, but still. Something as simple as a browser?</blockquote>

IE can be centrally controlled via policies using standard microsoft tools. A corporation would have to program that functionality themselves for Firefox/Chrome, so it's simply easier to stick with IE.

When it comes down to it, IE isn't <strong>that</strong> much worse than firefox and chrome, so it's a small sacrifice.

Plus, by limiting users to 1 browser you minimize support costs and website incompatabilites on the corporate intraweb.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 17:47:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sidude7</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-2/?recent=384907#post=384247</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Crasp</i>
		<blockquote>Fun Facts: Top 5 browsers used by etf2l.org visitors:

1. Chrome - 120,912 visits in the past 30 days (44.82% of all visits in that time)
2. Firefox - 102,786 (38.10%)
3. Opera - 24,934 (9.24%)
4. Internet Explorer - 9,265 (3.43%)
5. Safari - 7,022 (2.60%)

After those 5 we go into mobile phones, consoles and other oddities. We've had 8 visits via the Nintendo Wii in the past 30 days.</blockquote>

The Opera user is Adam :D I kid Opera is cool.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 17:43:26 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ghostface</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-2/?recent=384907#post=384244</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Pretty sure a lot of Safari visits are mine if it counts mobile/PC browsers the same.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 17:11:21 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pricee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-2/?recent=384907#post=384243</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Crasp</i>
		<blockquote>
After those 5 we go into mobile phones, consoles and other oddities. We've had 8 visits via the Nintendo Wii in the past 30 days.</blockquote>

One of the Wii visits is mine :PP]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 17:05:27 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Crasp</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-2/?recent=384907#post=384172</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Fun Facts: Top 5 browsers used by etf2l.org visitors:

1. Chrome - 120,912 visits in the past 30 days (44.82% of all visits in that time)
2. Firefox - 102,786 (38.10%)
3. Opera - 24,934 (9.24%)
4. Internet Explorer - 9,265 (3.43%)
5. Safari - 7,022 (2.60%)

After those 5 we go into mobile phones, consoles and other oddities. We've had 8 visits via the Nintendo Wii in the past 30 days.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 01:27:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Swedish Santa</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-2/?recent=384907#post=384171</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I highly like firefox over IE because I can customize my firefox with plugins and personal themes. Sure you can do it in IE but it is just plain ugly. Besides, why bother even using IE when I am using my ubuntu 11.10 partition? Chrome and firefox are so much superior in my opinion.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 01:12:32 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jorman</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm viewing this topic using Chrome. /thread]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 12:35:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-21366/page-2/?recent=384907#post=383842</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[You have the choice between a browser made by a company which has consistently ignored standards, instead opting to force the user to do whatever the fuck they want at the expense of everyone (just look at all of the fucking stupid hacks people have to make to accommodate even recent Internet Explorer releases), or, you could actually use a standards compliant browser that isn't a crock of proprietary dog shit.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 +0200</pubDate>
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