ETF2L – Latest activity in “A problem in e-sports” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/ Reply by Noeandee https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-3/?recent=334182#post=334182 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=334182 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:00:01 +0200 Reply by Laerin https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-3/?recent=334182#post=334122 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=334122 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:52:17 +0200 Reply by CrashSite https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-3/?recent=334182#post=334024 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=334024 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:13:55 +0200 Reply by Ghostface https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-3/?recent=334182#post=333983 Quoted from WARHURYEAH
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The thing is that in football the players are paid money, but they don't always blend in well together, so you can have a very expensive player scoring all the goals, while the other 3-4 guys with shit salaries are doing all the work setting him up for the play. Who gets the credit for it? The guy who scored the goal. That can't really apply for TF2 atleast since it's a more team-oriented game. If one person doesn't have good chemistry with the others, then it just doesn't work out and it's a bad lineup. Having one player being useless can cost you a lot of games, especially since there's less players compared to football. Everyone in TF2 has a very important role, and taking one person out is a huge handicap. In football, when players get redcarded the team isn't disadvantaged by the extra player the other team has, it's disadvantaged by the fact that a player from a certain position left, which may or may not be hard to replace(if you have someone who can play multiple roles). Having -1 player in football is a lot better than having -1 player in TF2 since it's a game with defensive and offensive positions, while TF2 is a game which has a permanent backward-forward struggle. 1 second you're attacking, the next you might be defending. Referring to the task at hand, technically it isn't very fair for the other players who got screwed over, but CS is a game where one person can gun down an entire team so it WOULD be justified if that guy who got the most money is some sort of Arnold Schwarzenegger of counter-strike. If he carries he deserves the extra cash. But yeah from the perspective of the 2 guys who got the least money, it really sucks. It's just like someone pulls you over after you win every game, and then they're like "listen mate, we know you're on this team, we know you won, but you're shit and your teammates carried you so here's less money"]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333983 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:26:58 +0200 Reply by The7alfa https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-3/?recent=334182#post=333979 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333979 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:18:27 +0200 Reply by torden https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333975 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333975 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:04:12 +0200 Reply by WARHURYEAH https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333973 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333973 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:02:30 +0200 Reply by -Flush- https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333972 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333972 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:57:06 +0200 Reply by Will https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333959 Quoted from wrock
they played together in the tournament right? tey won the tournament as team right? and they get different price money because some players could be easily exchanged??? WTF?!?
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I read some of those comments that the manager does do quite a bit of work and I agree with some statements saying that RedLine should have paid them out of their own pocket instead of from the prize pool.
It could be a bonus ontop of something, just like a football manager would get a bonus for winning the league.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333956 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:04:38 +0200 Reply by WARHURYEAH https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333955 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333955 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:57:54 +0200 Reply by Kortz https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333954 Quoted from wrock
they played together in the tournament right? tey won the tournament as team right? and they get different price money because some players could be easily exchanged??? WTF?!?
There is logic behind it, perhaps not the best but there is logic. If one player goes 50 to 1 and another player goes 1 to 10 then one player carried and did most of the work and therefore is getting more money. It's the same principle as in normal jobs. I work 9 hours you work 5 I get more money because I did more work (assuming we work at the same place ofcourse) :P]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333954 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:56:19 +0200 Reply by wrock https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333953 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333953 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:41:09 +0200 Reply by Kharnac https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333946 Quoted from Skyride
Contracts: Fucking read them. I feel sorry for the lads, but fuck sake, you should ALWAYS reading contracts thoroughly before signing them. Even if it was written by your best lifelong friend.
This. However, the orgs handling of this appears to have been fucking poor. It's difficult for reading the contract to be even remotely relevant when the org flat out deny it's existence for the most part, and then neither side actually produce a copy to validate their argument when it's existence does become apparent. It may as well not exist. On the broader issues, I guess ultimately so long as it all contracted and carried out in an honest and transparent way then orgs -can- do as they please (assuming their players sign the contracts ofc), whether that's paying the manager or flat deducting x% for themselves, or even paying players at different rates. Read your contract, and if issues arise wave your contract around!]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333946 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:07:48 +0200 Reply by stwn https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-18324/page-2/?recent=334182#post=333942 Quoted from Setlet
If they were good friends (the 5 main players), why didn't they just divide the money so everyone would have the same amount? Or was Ex6tenz too greedy to share?
managers share...?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=off-topic&topic=18324&post=333942 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:50:44 +0200