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    	    <title>Reply by Mr Mugabe</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-2/?recent=310357#post=310357</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Show them BFBC2 at full graphs!! That will teach them.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:43:36 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DouGie</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[most of my friends are console gamers and when they see me play tf2/ql or whatever the argument is...

"graphics look shit, cartoon characters"

etc etc 

However they've had a go at pc and all have said its way wayyyy harder to aim :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:39:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cloud</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-1/?recent=310357#post=310339</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["Casuals"

The association of the PC with being a massive nerd, the fact it probably costs them more to buy what they see as a decent PC (especially if they wont build it themselves), and maybe even just a PC that'll run games reasonably anyway, the fact that a lot of people own a console, especially kids, and just generally the fact they've grown up with it and know no different. So the PC side of things where people are tweaking their huds and configs and whatever the hell else, will likely make them go "woah. too complicated", or something like that anyway, depends on the person.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:46:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by WabbitsFoot</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-1/?recent=310357#post=310332</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Koeitje</i>
		<blockquote>Its all cool they wanna play shooters. But what really gets on my nerves is the insane drive to fulfill achievements and get gamer points. I mean, what the fuck?</blockquote>
I remember seeing a screenshot of a guy posting about the psn going down saying 'what about our trophies? are they safe?' made me lol]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:39:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-1/?recent=310357#post=310330</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Its all cool they wanna play shooters. But what really gets on my nerves is the insane drive to fulfill achievements and get gamer points. I mean, what the fuck?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:31:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mr Mugabe</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-1/?recent=310357#post=310329</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[All I know is when I moved from console to PC I was sold for ever.
But damn I was pro with that sticky aim... now look at nooby me :*(]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:30:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pikachuuu</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-1/?recent=310357#post=310319</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Console player who just moved to PC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCjzA-C647o


He also claims the combat in Assassin's Creed is good.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:48:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by WabbitsFoot</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-1/?recent=310357#post=310318</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from fe</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
nope, cuz of lower competition</blockquote>

Exactly.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:46:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sEagle</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Wabbeh</i>
		<blockquote>is a gold medal paralympian more skilled than a gold medal Olympian?</blockquote>
nope, cuz of lower competition]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:37:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by WabbitsFoot</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-1/?recent=310357#post=310292</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[My favourite is when console gamers claim that they're more skilled at fps's because its harder for them to aim....is a gold medal paralympian more skilled than a gold medal Olympian?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:27:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Medic-kun</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-17113/page-1/?recent=310357#post=310290</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I have a few classmates who scrim Halo 3 and MW2 together occasionaly (apparently there is competitive gaming on console :o :o :o :o). I asked some of them how the hell they could aim with the Xbox joystick and why they didnt move on to PC.

One of the main reasons they were playing console fps were that they just grew up playing Nintendo / Playstation and now Xbox360 instead of playing PC games. Now, I think that anyone can aim, move and multitask better with a mouse + keyboard than a controller, but there arent many fast paced shooters on console really. MW2 being probably the biggest console shooter. Later on at a school LAN we had, I launched TF2 and quake, showed them the more fast-paced side of FPS.

The first impression was basicaly "The game looks pretty ugly", "Where is the gun (as I later explained was called viewmodel)" and some other stuff that slightly creeped me. I realized that console allows slight to no modificatons and asked if they dont want to remove all the visual clutter, aim more accurate and have a higher framerate.
Theyre nice guys, but it frustrated me how little they knew. I heard stuff like "I can aim fine even with insane blur and a explosions", "The human eye cant see over xxx fps anyway (there was some discussion of this number being 60, 100 or 120)". I kinda gave up. They didnt seem too interrested in TF2/quake.

Why console gamers get mad? In my case, they dont. Im the one getting mad, and in my eyes theyre playing games impossible to modify, and I guess they just accept it and try to have fun.
At least theyre nice guys]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:44:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:33:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by The7alfa</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from WARHURYEAH</i>
		<blockquote>Why are PC gamers so but hurt when they find out that console is better? It's so funny just to see their shitty arguments which include "you have auto aim and easy games" when they have a keyboard and mouse.

I mean I love PC's, it can store movies, can play Minecraft, Street Fighter and great games such as the Half Life series. But in terms of FPS, why do PC gamers think that they are so good and superior over the console?</blockquote>

haha]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:28:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[because they know no different and their experience with pc gaming up until they bought a console was probably a dell or hp home desktop pc suitable for only watching porn and looking at spreadsheets.

either that or they are either american or 13, or both. simple

edit: lol war too true.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:20:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dauk</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[ask console gamers maybe?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 02:18:45 +0200</pubDate>
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