[...] Better speak to Byte then, that's news to me, I don't deal with that sort of stuff.

That weird then since I offered my services already, but nobody contacted me. Guess you aren't REALLY looking for people that can provide a good stream.

Every video/stream I try and watch i have to watch a cunting cat advert.

Get some people with 10mbit+ upload to do the actual streaming then?

[...] Were talking about streaming high quality HD ready there skeej. You need pretty beasty interwebz to stream that.

Right ok, As one of the main people involved in this decision, I'll try to clear this up as best as I can. Personally, I'm very seriously looking into having us move to justin.tv, however it's for a different set of reasons to the ones people keep saying, let me demonstrate: [...] Justin.tv has adverts on every stream too. Infact if we go with justin.tv, we'll probably be playing the occasional ad mid-game, as we actually get revenue from these. Infact we'll actually be getting less money from these ads if we switch to Justin. [...] There is indeed a problem with the VODS on the site. TF2TV had problems with this too and we're speaking to their contacts at own3d about this. But the site sucks? Have you actually used Justin.tv's site lately? I'm not saying either site is great, but by comparison, own3d is definitely a lot easier to navigate. [...] You need to watch an advert when you load the stream on own3d. If you F5 the page or restart the stream, you need to watch an ad again. Justin.tv have some mechanism that means you don't always get shown an advert when you F5. I'm presuming its like "if this person tuned in less than 20mins ago, don't show another advert". However if we do go with Justin.tv, We'll likely be showing ads deliberately during shows "i.e. between maps, before the interviews, etc". What you have to understand is that any money generated from these ads, will be going into a pot that will be used to help get our casters to LANs in the future. [...] This isn't true. If you think this is the case, it is a total placebo. Both providers allow us to stream at pretty much infinite quality, the limit being what our streamers can actually broadcast from their PC's. One annoying thing about FPS games, is that if you compare the amount of movement in a 5 second clip, with that of say an SC2 game, or a real life camera, there is a lot more. This means that you are never going to get as high quality while streaming FPS games, simply because you would need to stream at literally twice the kbps of stream just to get the same quality. We've got some really awesome stuff lined up here, but it's just a problem that can't be fixed in the forseeable future. [...] As I said above, there's a reason for this, and the adverts aren't necessarily a bad thing. For those of you who are too impatient to watch adverts, Adblock should actually block most of the video adverts, but I'm telling you now the money generated from you seeing that ad is going to a good cause. Edit: Also regarding Vods. This is going to be irrelevant very soon, as we'll be uploading Vods of every game to youtube as soon as everything is sorted. We'll also have a part of the site on vanillatf2 to browse the Vods when we can.

Yay to vods on youtube! Still the best way to watch something streaming yet non-realtime (and that might change soon too). Also, get streamers with higher upload speeds? But yeah I guess it's hard to find people that are up for directing/streaming in the first place...

The VODs never work when i want them too and the website sucks balls.

Oh and yes i know you have to watch a advert on justin tv however you watch it ONCE and thats it. You do not have to watch it every single time.

It is much better quality also.p

In fact sometimes you do not even need to watch an advert on justin tv which makes me happy.