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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;iPad 2&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rubikon</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-15858/page-2/?recent=282550#post=282550</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[This topic lacks some joke about I-products
http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/apple/4.png]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:05:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Minimoose</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-15858/page-2/?recent=282550#post=282531</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[The adam tablet would be the best, if the build quality problems were resolved, although tablets are pretty gimmicky at the moment anyway.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:55:00 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by evd_-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-15858/page-2/?recent=282550#post=282497</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Waebi</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

that's exactly one of the phones I meant you may need to root so problems go away, i heard many have lag problems with it etc. Might be wrong though, but then again why are there so many topics on "galaxy S lag fix"...</blockquote>

the first build of software was laggy and needed a fix (which could be resolved with a simple download of an app on the market - no rooting required) this was fixed ages ago and no longer requires any rooting/modifications - i have a stock froyo galaxy s and it runs like a dream

ps. norris, check out this site http://forum.xda-developers.com/ there are some amazing developers on these forums and most phones already have the latest 2.3 update available from the developers]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:31:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by evd_-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-15858/page-2/?recent=282550#post=282496</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[the motorola xoom is a far superior device, anyone who chooses an ipad2 over it is a fool.

ipad = oversized ipod
xoom = tablet]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:29:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Grimm</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-15858/page-2/?recent=282550#post=282492</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Looks gay as fuck]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:38:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Saadyst</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-15858/page-2/?recent=282550#post=282491</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Norris</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
The problem here is that you *have to* install and change stuff. For example, have a look at my phone. It's latest update available for it is android 2.1. New apps require 2.2 (to be installed on the SD card f.e), even the Google ones.

So you either have the option to be left out (when it comes down to new apps) or have something which doesn't run fine (because it's custom) or you just take a product which works like the ones from apple.</blockquote>

I dont use Apple at all, but I was under the impression that Apple charge for major updates (compared to free for Android)? And not all iPhones are capable of getting the latest update anyway... and to get that update you need a new phone (similar to android)? 

It's a very weak argument in any case. Of course older phones get obsolete, that's one thing that even Apple has demonstrated very well with yearly updates to their product range. As I said, I don't use Apple at all, but the 3GS afaik introduced stronger graphics capabilities - so some games / apps that were designed for the 3GS wouldn't run on the 3G. Similar story for 4 vs 3GS. It's a fact of life.

Also, you left out an important option at the end: staying stock, and everything is working (HTC Desire).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:38:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr-Gimpfen</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-15858/page-2/?recent=282550#post=282490</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[iphones and ipads have to be jailbreaked before running good :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:32:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Pyle</i>
		<blockquote>Haha.. Galaxy S ftw.</blockquote>

that's exactly one of the phones I meant you may need to root so problems go away, i heard many have lag problems with it etc. Might be wrong though, but then again why are there so many topics on "galaxy S lag fix"...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:08:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mr Mugabe</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Haha.. Galaxy S ftw.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:05:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kitty jones</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Saadyst</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
what you mean by "test and optimise" - unless you are referring to people using custom roms. And updates - Really?</blockquote>
The problem here is that you *have to* install and change stuff. For example, have a look at my phone. It's latest update available for it is android 2.1. New apps require 2.2 (to be installed on the SD card f.e), even the Google ones.

So you either have the option to be left out (when it comes down to new apps) or have something which doesn't run fine (because it's custom) or you just take a product which works like the ones from apple.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:04:28 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr-Gimpfen</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[if you have root you normally start installing custom roms or kernels or whatever is custom and then the system gets instable.

if you want a phone that just works then dont root and let everything stock.
if you want to tinker around you root and install all the custom stuff but stability will go down :D

i have android since over 2 years now and my first device was a HTC Magic and it was totaly unstable after all the custom roms thats why i bought a desire HD and rooted it but dont stay @ stock ROM]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:52:59 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Saadyst</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-15858/page-1/?recent=282550#post=282478</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Norris</i>
		<blockquote>compare the quality of the apps and the systems to each other. I constantly run into problems with my android phone while apples system just works. This obviously has to do with the multiple configurations of the devices tho. Not that it bothers *me* that much (because android has many favours) but I can clearly see that causal customers doesn't want to constantly test, optimize and update their device to get something working. The last thing I would want to have is a tablet featuring the some difficulties so I rather would get the IPad2.</blockquote>

I'm comparing as you say, and I have no problems with my android phone for everything I use it for. But you are probably somewhat correct when referring to fragmentation of android &#38; devices, and on top of that, the option of the carrier to add their own bloat onto the device - this doesn't help.

However, with that said, android devices typically offer a much higher degree of flexibility - whether it is hardware or software. It's up to an individual whether or not they want that, or if they would rather have a closed system (apple).

I don't know what you mean by "test and optimise" - unless you are referring to people using custom roms. And updates - Really?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:52:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[@norris, regarding "bad android tablets":
http://www.notionink.com/features.php
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Tablets/ci.MOTOROLA-XOOM-US-EN.overview

also gimpfen get your facts straight, rooting has nothing to do with it at all. There are devices that are shit without rooting but great when rooted, and if you install custom ROMs then you're not a customer that expects everything to work flawlessly anyway - in fact, there are plenty of custom ROMs that are even more stable than stock stuff.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:49:29 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr-Gimpfen</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Norris</i>
		<blockquote>compare the quality of the apps and the systems to each other. I constantly run into problems with my android phone while apples system just works. This obviously has to do with the multiple configurations of the devices tho. Not that it bothers *me* that much (because android has many favours) but I can clearly see that causal customers doesn't want to constantly test, optimize and update their device to get something working. The last thing I would want to have is a tablet featuring the some difficulties so I rather would get the IPad2.</blockquote>

it happens only if you start to root your device.
if you dont root and everything is stock it just works :D

thats why my Desire HD got no Custom ROM cos you have to tinkering all the time if you got a custom ROM]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:48:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by klansm3n</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[now you cant play cheesy flash games, big whoop]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:41:32 +0100</pubDate>
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