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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;HD Video Cameras - Advice Please&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Boneyard</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14825/page-2/?recent=256409#post=256409</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i'd go for the Canon 550D, its at a good price point where it would trump any handheld camcorder in the same price range. I think there is a problem with recording audio only in mono or something, can't be sure though.

Getting that would also give you the option of taking some awesome stills aswell.

Depends what you want really, the simplicity of a handheld or the quality of a SLR.

aww I want one now :(]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:00:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Special_K</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14825/page-2/?recent=256409#post=256221</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[You could always hire a camera for a few days to begin with, and then when you find something you like, you could look into buying one.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:32:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14825/page-2/?recent=256409#post=256187</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from lolage</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pkt_m9Sd1U

Take that back &#62;:)</blockquote>

That is fucking awesome! :o

Not a bad price too! Mmm I am intrigued now :3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:43:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by lolage</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14825/page-2/?recent=256409#post=255826</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Turbo</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Holy shit .... and that comes from a dSLR ? damn ....

I suppose that technology has gotten much better since my nikon d40.</blockquote>

Yah I was pretty impressed too. In the market for a dSLR and gonna go with a D3100 and even that @ £400 inc a 18-55mm lens has 1080p HD recording just the autofocus takes a little time on fast moving objects. They have come on alot since the d40!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:19:39 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jonathan264</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from lolage</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pkt_m9Sd1U

Take that back &#62;:)</blockquote>

Holy shit .... and that comes from a dSLR ? damn ....

I suppose that technology has gotten much better since my nikon d40.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:03:25 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Turbomonkey, do you even read replies?

I have worked with video cameras ranging from 500 euros to 4000+ euros and out of all those, the best video quality I've seen came from a 7D dSLR (haven't used the 5D myself, haven't seen any raw footage of it. Light perception is supposed to be a little bit better but the jello effect is larger)

Also you don't need a really expensive mic. Any decent condenser will do. Indeed, Rode, or Sennheiser. 

But yeah if your budget isn't high enough for a 7D, a "normal" camcorder/handycam thingie would be sufficient. HDV is an option but you have the trouble of having to capture the video in realtime instead of just clicking and dragging a video file from your camera to your pc. I don't know any specific models, but surely compression technology must be sufficient these days? And "big" flash memory comes in large sizes nowadays (64 GB is pretty normal).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:27:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by lolage</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14825/page-2/?recent=256409#post=255812</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Turbo</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
They are really expensive and <strong>have bad video quality</strong>.</blockquote>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pkt_m9Sd1U

Take that back &#62;:)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:02:17 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14825/page-2/?recent=256409#post=255791</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[In all fairness, there is a few DSLR's that have image quality comparable to that of some of the better HD camcorders, but for practicality, HDV tape and recording times still make a camcorder the better option.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:29:51 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by nvc</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[u can buy my hd webcam, 5 pounds, would need additional laptop and something that can replicate the brightness of the sun to acheive anything above 20 fps.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:23:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Turbo</i>
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why would he want a stills camera ? 

They are really expensive and have bad video quality. He wants to capture video with a external microphone to get good sound . I would go with the handycam.</blockquote>

Not true. But if you want video I would look into the 7D or 5DmkII.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:16:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jonathan264</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Steve</i>
		<blockquote>Canon 500D:
http://www.hdtvnieuws.nl/images/Canon-500D.jpg
http://www.hdtvnieuws.nl/images/Canon-500D-achterkant.jpg

or Canon 550D:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos550d/

Both can record video and take pictures at extremely high quality
'professional' photographers use these type of cameras to take pictures, recently they've added a recording feature with amazing quality (the 500series, like I posted) and cause of the design you'll have more steadiness than a normal 'handycam'</blockquote>

why would he want a stills camera ? 

They are really expensive and have bad video quality. He wants to capture video with a external microphone to get good sound . I would go with the handycam.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:02:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by binge</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Canon 500D:
http://www.hdtvnieuws.nl/images/Canon-500D.jpg
http://www.hdtvnieuws.nl/images/Canon-500D-achterkant.jpg

or Canon 550D:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos550d/

Both can record video and take pictures at extremely high quality
'professional' photographers use these type of cameras to take pictures, recently they've added a recording feature with amazing quality (the 500series, like I posted) and cause of the design you'll have more steadiness than a normal 'handycam']]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:51:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I run a web design and marketing company, not a wildlife HD documentary channel :p

The reason I'm interested in this was because a number of clients recently have asked me if we'd offer a more professional option than the current video montage of photos and shit that we offer as part of our marketing packages.

So seeing the opportunity to create a number of new professional services that we can offer as well as service the need of the aforementioned current and future clients, a fully functional option would be ideal!

Essentially, yes super pretty is nice - but I like having a bank balance too :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:17:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by lolage</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from skeej</i>
		<blockquote>dSLR is the way to go yeah...

Canon 7D has external mic support and tbh I think it looks better than even a Sony PWM-EX3 for instance (a semi-pro videocamera costing ~6000 GBP or something). Together with a decent multifunctional lens it will cost you about 1200gbp maybe? Maybe cheaper even, didn't check actual prices. 

Way pricier than you originally stated, but you'll have something which is quite future proof and beats all video cameras in its price class.</blockquote>

But isn't that a bit overkill for what he wants? He stated it doesn't have to be the best HD out there just good enough for his business, therefore a cheaper dedicated camcorder should be the best route..?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:36:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[dSLR is the way to go yeah...

Canon 7D has external mic support and tbh I think it looks better than even a Sony PWM-EX3 for instance (a semi-pro videocamera costing ~6000 GBP or something). Together with a decent multifunctional lens it will cost you about 1200gbp maybe? Maybe cheaper even, didn't check actual prices. 

Way pricier than you originally stated, but you'll have something which is quite future proof and beats all video cameras in its price class. IMO to have video quality that REALLY tops a dSLR like a 7D or 5D you need a videocamera in the &#62;10.000 price range. The dSLR cameras just have amazing depth of field and light sensitivity... Unbeatable by many video cameras.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:34:21 +0100</pubDate>
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