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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Since the topic is watering down into discussion about some wikileaks relevations and their meaning Im gonna lock this one.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:33:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I actually wouldn't give a fuck if they'd been shot down anyway, and I doubt they'd be as calm if there had really been weapons.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:39:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14769/page-2/?recent=254620#post=254571</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Waebi</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Riiight. A SLR looking like a gun :D
edit: it's a bad excuse, really.</blockquote>

As usual, the actual truth is far more nuanced, and not that simple.


		<blockquote>Wired.com: Wikileaks presented the incident as though there was no engagement from insurgents. But you guys did have a firefight a couple of blocks away. Was it reasonable for the Apache soldiers to think that maybe the people they attacked were part of that insurgent firefight?

McCord: I doubt that they were a part of that firefight. However, when I did come up on the scene, there was an RPG as well as AK-47s there…. You just don’t walk around with an RPG in Iraq, especially three blocks away from a firefight…. Personally, I believe the first attack on the group standing by the wall was appropriate, was warranted by the rules of engagement. They did have weapons there. However, I don’t feel that the attack on the [rescue] van was necessary.</blockquote>

McCord was one of the soldiers who arrived at the scene of bloodbath after the apache had done it's evil. He found the children and got them out of the van. Full interview: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/04/2007-iraq-apache-attack-as-seen-from-the-ground/

For me, this part of the interview is as equally (or even more) disturbing than the actual shooting:


		<blockquote>After the incident, we went back to the FOB [forward operating base] and that’s when I was in my room. I had blood all down the front of me from the children. I was trying to wash it off in my room. I was pretty distraught over the whole situation with the children. So I went to a sergeant and asked to see [the mental health person], because I was having a hard time dealing with it. I was called a pussy and that I needed to suck it up and a lot of other horrible things. I was also told that there would be repercussions if I was to go to mental health.</blockquote>

And then they wonder why those Apaches are manned by maniacs.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:39:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cairenn</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Randdalf</i>
		<blockquote>IWikiLeaks, owned by Julian Assange, </blockquote>

As far as I know, Julian Assange is merely the face of wikileaks, the 'lightning rod' in his own words.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:51:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by joaof19</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14769/page-2/?recent=254620#post=254559</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's a 400 000 * 300 000 px coolface.png]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:46:08 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by klansm3n</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from herpderp</i>
		<blockquote>Anonops been quite busy aswell apparantly.

DDoSing Mastercard, A Swedish justice department website, the lawyer of the 2 women involved in the case and they are looking to DDoS twitter/paypal, although they have said paypal might be too big for them to crack.

This infowar is heating up.</blockquote>
it gets the faggots attention, nothing else really]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:04:25 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Steve</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
first time was with that 'shocking' airplane-gunner shooting reporters/journalists cause their cameras looked like weapons</blockquote>

Riiight. A SLR looking like a gun :D
edit: it's a bad excuse, really.

On the actual topic of this thread: It's the same as with nuclear bombs really. The main idea behind is to NOT have to use it so you always have something to threaten others with. Cause once you HAVE used it, it's useless and you will face the consequences anyway. So in fact, it's likely it'll never ever ever be opened.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:58:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by link.red</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14769/page-2/?recent=254620#post=254418</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hey, what did the American government ever do to...OH WAIT http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/cheney-dog.jpg]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:17:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Eledorian</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14769/page-2/?recent=254620#post=254353</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Anonops been quite busy aswell apparantly.

DDoSing Mastercard, A Swedish justice department website, the lawyer of the 2 women involved in the case and they are looking to DDoS twitter/paypal, although they have said paypal might be too big for them to crack.

This infowar is heating up.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:09:50 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by The7alfa</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14769/page-2/?recent=254620#post=254214</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[This sounds so much similar to the way they arrested Al Capone.

Just that now it's some "interrogation dodge" instead of not paying taxes.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 02:53:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dr. Chris</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Steve</i>
		<blockquote>it has been opened
/b/ went insane</blockquote>

lol, no. come back when you know anything about cryptography.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:03:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ouch</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14769/page-2/?recent=254620#post=254197</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What we've learned from Amazon, Paypal, Visa and such is that our western civilisation is as free as china. I'm glad that Wikileaks showed us how we roll.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 00:53:54 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by binge</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
What you just said is exactly what wikileaks is trying to fight.</blockquote>

Well, I've barely heard about wikileaks, first time was with that 'shocking' airplane-gunner shooting reporters/journalists cause their cameras looked like weapons, 2nd time was this issue in belgium and now this..
excuse me for not really understanding the situation then..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 00:36:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Randdalf</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14769/page-2/?recent=254620#post=254192</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It goes like this: WikiLeaks, owned by Julian Assange, have been given some incredibly sensitive (for certain people) information, and are releasing it into the public domain, which those certain people are not terribly happy about. So those people have pressured various parties into doing various not-very-nice things to WikiLeaks and Assange. The insurance is in case something not so terribly nice at all happens to Assange or WikiLeaks, (such as him being jailed, assassinated etc.).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 00:23:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Steve</i>
		<blockquote>what did he do then ?

all I've heard about wikileaks lately is something that was on the belgium news regarding nuclear bombs but that's about it ..</blockquote>

**sigh**

stop jumping on bandwagons, start reading. That kind of attitude isn't any better than all these spastic americans talking about how all this "puts the troops in danger" or how he is "putting the lives of other americans at risk!" (you know, ignoring the fact hes actually Australian).

What you just said is exactly what wikileaks is trying to fight.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:27:52 +0100</pubDate>
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