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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;&#34;UK Game Retailers&#34; to boycott Steam games&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from RareSpycrab</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

We do. It's called minecraft and its not even in beta yet.</blockquote>

+1 oooh can minecraft have pvp?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:41:27 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by HELMUT PITZ</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14235/page-4/?recent=243080#post=243076</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[buying keys &#62; all ))]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:32:55 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RareSpycrab</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14235/page-4/?recent=243080#post=243074</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Cloud</i>
		<blockquote>Need a new "quake", not in terms of gameplay, but in terms of popularity.</blockquote>

We do. It's called minecraft and its not even in beta yet.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:30:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Sketch</i>
		<blockquote>sadly retailers pushed pc games to the very back of the store about 8 years ago. they dont stock latest titles at competitive prices. and the guys in there couldn't even tell you how to build a basic pc, on which to play said latest titles.</blockquote>

thats when they lost our business. not because of steam. people started downloading games long ago because retailers were simply not stocking them. or they were overcharging



wtf edit and quote are next to eachother! who the fuck knew! :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:29:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[sadly retailers pushed pc games to the very back of the store about 8 years ago. they dont stock latest titles at competitive prices. and the guys in there couldn't even tell you how to build a basic pc, on which to play said latest titles.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:26:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by boomeh</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Ramown</i>
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ramown stay out of this you'll just end up getting shot]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:09:09 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ramown</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from boomeh</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

whys every man got beef with twistedplay</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:06:17 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by boomeh</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from infussle</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
Does it not seem absolutely pathetic that companys think they have a natural right to a proportion of the market, if they did or plan to, if they are offering a worse service to the consumer. It pretty much sickens me to put steam and itunes in the same bubble. Apart from good and bad monopolys. Who cares if steam are doing a perfectly fine job of running the retailing market for games? Im sure if steam were not providing a satisfactory service, another leading competitor would take their steam, because thats how a free market should fuction. If people were sick of the additional advertising steam do, people would move. But actually its one of the few advertising mechanisms which is bareable. 
[...]
Who cares about small retailing businesses, they are a thing of the past unless the big companies are not providing a good enough service. For example itunes offer a shit service, and i would rather buy vinyl, even if it costs more or even go to the length of coding an alternative (foobar). Again, steam support small companies if their product is good enough. Just look at the makers of world of goo etc. This encourages competion within the developing market which is only a good thing.

edit: who cares if i can further myself from people who choose to play halo, and the people associated with them. twisted play anyone?</blockquote>

whys every man got beef with twistedplay]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:57:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CrashSite</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Well, game developers will also prefer to develop for platforms where it is 'harder' to pirate. It is an issue that will drive companies away from PC's as a platform. It is now all about marketing to families as they have been an untapped market until the Wii came along.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:29:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Infusion</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from d2m</i>
		<blockquote>
The point in the article was that people would buy one game that needs Steam and then with all the marketing and pop-ups Steam has on their PC with new releases, they'd continue to buy games from Steam rather than going back to the retail outlet.
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Does it not seem absolutely pathetic that companys think they have a natural right to a proportion of the market, if they did or plan to, if they are offering a worse service to the consumer. It pretty much sickens me to put steam and itunes in the same bubble. Apart from good and bad monopolys. Who cares if steam are doing a perfectly fine job of running the retailing market for games? Im sure if steam were not providing a satisfactory service, another leading competitor would take their steam, because thats how a free market should fuction. If people were sick of the additional advertising steam do, people would move. But actually its one of the few advertising mechanisms which is bareable. 
<i>Quoted from d2m</i>
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I buy nearly all of my games from Steam. It's sad that small business can and will close, but it happens in every industry, not just games. If you can't differentiate yourself and clearly express your unique selling point (usp) and show people why they should give their money to you, then you will fail. Simple as that.
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Who cares about small retailing businesses, they are a thing of the past unless the big companies are not providing a good enough service. For example itunes offer a shit service, and i would rather buy vinyl, even if it costs more or even go to the length of coding an alternative (foobar). Again, steam support small companies if their product is good enough. Just look at the makers of world of goo etc. This encourages competion within the developing market which is only a good thing.

edit: who cares if i can further myself from people who choose to play halo, and the people associated with them. twisted play anyone?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:24:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Abunai</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Cloud</i>
		<blockquote>PC Gaming is "dying", in that it's a shrinking market

Indie dev's, and a few publishers will continue to make dedicated PC games, rather than shitty ports.

Need a new "quake", not in terms of gameplay, but in terms of popularity.</blockquote>

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99016-PC-Gaming-Market-Up-Three-Percent-in-2009]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:23:07 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by rayMears.</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[rts games will dominate on pc]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:09:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cloud</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[PC Gaming is "dying", in that it's a shrinking market

Indie dev's, and a few publishers will continue to make dedicated PC games, rather than shitty ports.

Need a new "quake", not in terms of gameplay, but in terms of popularity.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:58:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[It is sad day!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:54:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/off-topic/topic-14235/page-3/?recent=243080#post=242871</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[MMO's require an absurd amount of cash/resources to develop.


Making a crappy shooter on a known engine is easy, cheaper, has a less saturated market and is far less prone to failing.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:42:21 +0100</pubDate>
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