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    	    <title>Reply by sandmaNN</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[More house than techno but i dont give a shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAvktScgMzM

my favorite song atm.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:11:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RoTeR</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Orange</i>
		<blockquote>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV8N44HzfBQ AAARRRRRR</blockquote>
best song in this thread imo.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:56:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by HTE</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Admirable win's this thread easily especially for including a Ritchie Hawtin track.

Techno mainly grew out of Detriot in the late 80's, pioneered by the likes of Derrick May/Juan Atkins who were influenced by the old Kraftwerk stuff.  It had a more melancholic edge to it unlike the early House which contained a lot of vocal loops.

Some of my favourites were released in the early 90's 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmndUjfe2g8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Byw2WGLGX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRVb47WtINI]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:19:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by NuckChorris</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from electro</i>
		<blockquote>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5OkpOeWvB4

to get back to the topic</blockquote>

&#60;3 gregor tresher, I actually forgot to post &#34;a thousand nights&#34; or even &#34;still&#34; in my first post. one of my mixtapes starts with that song =) 

By the way - less talk, more action. So, more good electronic music - don´t care if it fits your definition of &#34;techno&#34;, but it matches my needs for good electronic music to listen to....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlDieXzrcPA&#38;p=E797D054EF6AEAD5&#38;playnext=1&#38;index=11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDR-5yIJGyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzINz4fQJwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHKAy6NzXOU

just my personal taste, of course.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:46:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Memento Mori</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from skeej</i>
		<blockquote>brostep</blockquote>
get your alpacas out]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:08:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Admirable</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Funny topic :D
I just felt the topic title was a misnomer :)

That wikipedia article wasn't bad, if you listen to half of the artists mentioned you will be getting a good grasp of "techno" as I understood it and experienced it.

It is still important to try and define genres and styles so we can see where we have come from and how music evolves and references itself.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:50:21 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Electro</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5OkpOeWvB4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW6oi25jikk&#38;feature=related

to get back to the topic]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:38:18 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rotab</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZvke4b6X-0]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:15:20 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from josku</i>
		<blockquote>skeej link some good dubstep</blockquote>

The mix-cds Dubstep Allstars Vol. 2 to 4 encompass what for me are the classics of dubstep. As to new school dubstep, you can't beat Appleblim's Dubstep Allstars 6. All the cd's in that series are ace though! Cause like most electronic dance music, tunes are best listened to in a good mix.

But most people seem to be into the bangerstep/ drunkstep/epicstep/brostep/anthemstep like Rusko on the one side and Borgore on the other side. Kinda boring to me, but that's what tastes are for.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:59:36 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by josku</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[skeej link some good dubstep

<i>Quoted from josku</i>
		<blockquote>

Not techno, but this is the playlist I listen to when I play:

[Link]

Basically all my favourite songs.
</blockquote>

does I smell niggra?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:23:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Look, I'm not saying you are "wrong". If you see a bike, and you call it a "car", that's your right. Language is ever-evolving and there is no right and wrong. But to call all forms of electronic dance music "techno" is a very common misconception. All the electronic dance music genres originated from UK hardcore and rave, which is sometimes also referred to as techno. I think the misconception comes from that. 

When you call goa techno, maybe your friends know what you mean. But if I go to a venue and the flyer says "techno", and upon entrance it turns out to be a goa trance night, then I will ask my money back. That's what I meant with "consensus". General concensus, as far as I know, doesn't consider trance to be techno. Even Ishkur's guide lists them both as seperate fundamental genres. There are inherent differences to the musical aspects of the genres which make them very different. Of course you are free to differentiate from the general concensus; I just wonder if it's any use.


[edit]jesus this is really the wrong place for this kind of discussion xD

And i really feel like a music snob now. Maybe it's because I am one?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:17:11 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by NuckChorris</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from skeej</i>
		<blockquote> Hardstyle, trance, goa and acid are not techno. 
</blockquote>

That´s exactly the opposite of how I and many others see it. It´s your personal definition, but if you - just to stay on that route - look it up at wiki under "goa music" for example, they for example see goa as a part of trance (which is arguable, of course) and trance again as a subform of techno. And so, everyone else might find some different definitions and other sources that fit their own point of view. 
But simply stating that trance, goa and acid are no techno is just wrong imo.

I´m not arguing with what you said about music being supposed to break boundaries etc., and I know you can´t fit every single track in a certain scheme, declare it´s belonging to only one certain style and nothing else. And I agree with a lot of other things written there. I´m just saying, it´s a question of your own definition of the word "techno" - either as one certain part of electronic music, apart from acid, electronica, goa, trance and all the others - or actually more as a general description for an entire kind of music with many subforms, a generic term or superordinate concept; that was what I actually referred to. 

To the author of the topic, in case you´re confused by now or wondering where the music posts are while some freaks are discussing something you never were interested in - maybe just tell the crowd what you like yourself, and people might be able to suggest more stuff you might like as well once they know your taste...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:49:41 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skeej</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Usually the cliché is about Americans calling every kind of electronic music "techno" ;)

What Admirable posted was pure techno. A great deal of maximalism through minimalism, repetition, and slow evolution. 4x4 stomping kickdrums accompanied by syncopated percussionist elements. Weird sound effects that loop on the off-beat. Melodies and harmonics are a merely optional sidestory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXfA0yM7Ng
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t88cVmO7BnI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AqCE7uc3HE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEoCaB5TLtM

Or with broken beats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY9t2mNvYJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8MmQDCIHNY

Of course the exact definitions and boundaries of a genre are vague and arbitrary. This is a good thing, because music should be about breaking boundaries and genre names should be used as descriptors, not prescriptors. But there's a consensus-based line to be drawn where a song really stops to belong to a certain genre or not. Hardstyle, trance, goa and acid are not techno. 

Ishkur's guide is pretty accurate but doesn't cover all styles and hasn't been updated to include all new hybrid styles. Where is dubstep, wonky, future dub, skweee, etc etc? The whole new electro/techno fusion wave hasn't been included either. It used to be of great guidance to me about 6 years ago or so though.

If you want to talk about how the different genres evolved out one another, and how one genre is related to the other, I think Simon Reynolds' theory of the "Hardcore Continuüm" is the most accurate and meaningful. Read about it here: http://www.thewire.co.uk/details/contributors/?contributor=51

I never game with music in the background btw, unless it's one of those rare occasions where I'm completely mashed and go backburner pyro on a random pub. I don't like music as sound-wallpaper. I'd rather listen to it with full attention :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:59:26 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Avr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Admirable</i>
		<blockquote>I remember seeing this (or something like it) a few years ago...
http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

Pretty interesting :)</blockquote>

That would have been useful for introducing my friend to edm a few months ago, it's not perfect but it kinda gives a rough idea of the various genres and sub-genres and how they relate to each other.

on topic: I would love to see this in a frag video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71tFFB7fZ94&#38;feature=related]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:57:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by inqTek</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[BEST EVER BITCHESSSSSS AYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HOP HOP HOP 
 
Bass ----&#62;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLM3Px4EmDs ----&#62; MUsic MADE ME 
adictED Ayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ic7ZOs7ACQ


TECHNO ----&#62; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevUFO2moZI
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQaQ2qFQzMA&#38;feature=related




GO hard r GO home ! &#60;3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:20:17 +0200</pubDate>
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