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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Targe Turning in S8&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by UPS</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=176247</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Vali</i>
		<blockquote>
It means "vanilla plus medic".</blockquote>

No way, 'vanilla + medic' name suggests, that all of the unlocks should be allowed. Clearly.

/End of my fail-joke.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 19:06:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by iharhajster</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=176236</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Darn</i>
		<blockquote>No, vanilla + medic. Close thread please.</blockquote>
I love vanilla ice cream http://jeffatwood.typepad.com/atwoodzoo/images/menu_ice_cream_cone.jpg
yum yum ...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 18:27:49 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=176225</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Willow</i>
		<blockquote>Monkeh, why do you still post on these forums. Seriously, stop embarassing yourself. :P 
</blockquote>

Willow, why do you still breathe in real life.  Seriously, stop prolonging yourself. :P]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 18:02:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by N3.Largos</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=174292</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Randdalf</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Did you not see SolidSnake vs FinMix?</blockquote>

That was pretty lulzy.  On a scale of 1 - mad, I'd say Darn was hovering around 7.1]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 00:21:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CRZ-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=174275</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from hänsen</i>
		<blockquote>let's ban scouts, pyros, demos, heavies, engies, snipers, medics and spies... to make it totally fair it's a soly 6on6... 

oh and ban all weapons except of shovel, SG is overpowered as everbody knows and Rocketlauncher is bugged (you can push yourself off the ground by firing below you).

oh and the distribution of objects is not even on blu and red all the time... ffs lets only play orange X</blockquote>
umad?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:40:09 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by hansen</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=174273</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[let's ban scouts, pyros, demos, heavies, engies, snipers, medics and spies... to make it totally fair it's a soly 6on6... 

oh and ban all weapons except of shovel, SG is overpowered as everbody knows and Rocketlauncher is bugged (you can push yourself off the ground by firing below you).

oh and the distribution of objects is not even on blu and red all the time... ffs lets only play orange X]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:37:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Waster</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Darn</i>
		<blockquote>No, vanilla + medic. Close thread please.</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:35:47 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sajh</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Randdalf</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Did you not see SolidSnake vs FinMix?</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 20:38:26 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Randdalf</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=174178</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I think everybody got a bit of a power-burst after the Sandman was banned. Nowdays it's not if the weapon is useful or not, it's whether it should be banned or not, and it's a very... negative way of looking at things.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:53:37 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Relentless</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=174175</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Vali</i>
		<blockquote>
(Oh and I think Darn's point was that there's no point kicking up a fuss about vanilla + medic with the current set of ETF2L rules over someone using a weapon such as Natascha which doesn't really affect gameplay all that much, which is entirely different to saying that you'd prefer it to be allowed given the choice)</blockquote>

If the weapon is so useless as you say, why even bother banning it. If it proves to be useless, noone will use it and the problem solves itself.
It's been the same with TDH - everyone initially cried about it being op but the fact is that not very many soldiers actually swapped it for the RL because either

1) it has proven to be the worse choice because of missing splash etc.
2) people didn't bother trying to use it for long enough so they abandoned it (too) quickly (worse case scenario imo - even if I hate TDH, you got to stay objective).

Or is it just that the so-called top-players are afraid of allowing weapons which potential hasn't been fully discovered yet and that they might be more powerful than anyone ever thought they would be?

If it proves to be overpowered with no real countertactics, you can still ban it afterwards. Banning it preventively to avoid adaption to new tactics is just premature.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:48:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xzar</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-3/?recent=176247#post=174174</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Darn</i>
		<blockquote>No, vanilla + medic. Close thread please.</blockquote>
OTTQFT]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:48:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Randdalf</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-2/?recent=176247#post=174173</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Defur</i>
		<blockquote>[...]</blockquote>

True dat. Is the limiting the same as it was if you only did it with the mouse?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:48:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xzar</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Randdalf</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Did you not see SolidSnake vs FinMix?</blockquote>

I guess using it is viable if ur utter shit otherwise]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:46:48 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Defur</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-2/?recent=176247#post=174169</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Randdalf</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Did you not see SolidSnake vs FinMix that was before valve put a limit to the turning?</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:38:48 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Randdalf</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9980/page-2/?recent=176247#post=174168</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from the bm man</i>
		<blockquote>As a demo i dont see why you would ever use the targe over the sticky launcher anyway. edit: im a retard</blockquote>

Did you not see SolidSnake vs FinMix?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:32:02 +0200</pubDate>
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