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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;idk? frog in division 1&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by JimmyBreeze</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Torden was writing this as the thread was locked, I feel it's only fair to add this on his behalf:

Having been (seemingly) a central part of this process, it seems its in place for me to give some insight in my team and our thoughts.

It has been an interesting couple of days, to say the least. I and my team have received a great load of queries with supporting and inspiring words, including some in this very topic. <strong>We humbly thank you all for that.</strong>

Now, lets get to the juicy stuff: The admin decisions. 
Let it be clear, there are many things unfulfilling about the decision process, something we have been direct and concise about with the head admin on private channels. 

However, a couple of things need to be stressed: <strong>Admin work is purely non-profit, public service; Admins are humans too. </strong>
They fart, stumble, and misspeak just like the rest of us. They aren't professionals, they do this work solely based on their love for the game.
Inevitably, arguable processes and decisions will be made. <em>JimmyBreeze</em> has done his homework, and sheds good light on what thoughts lie behind. I believe the only way to proceed from such incidents is to be humble, objective and constructive about it. So that one can learn from it.

And in this matter, it seems everything that can be said, has now been said. That's great. Now, lets not lose our heads now, and make TF2 into anything more than what it's about: <strong>Having our daily ounce of fun!</strong>

As for a division 1 playoff, we've said it before, and I'll say it again - Name the place and time and we'll be there. I haven't seen frog in action, nor played against them personally. It would be interesting meeting. D1 or D2 - we are excited about the season.

Peace!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:36:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151905</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Bash</i>
		<blockquote>Bash's rant</blockquote>

I'm not just trying to keep the drama rolling, but a lot of it wasn't explained satisfactorily at all.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:16:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151904</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from demsii</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

What does that have to do with anything?
I'm pointing out something and we already said that we have no intention of doing a playoff and rather compete in div2. Nowhere did I say I believe px deserve to be there or have any intention to be there at this moment.
Stop trolling, it might make you look intelligent one day.</blockquote>
I'm sorry I didn't read all those huge walls of text you posted. I should have known better. I'm glad teams like Broder and Mr. got you to speak out for them.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:14:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LOLbox</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151903</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Do you play TF2 anymore KOVACS?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:13:36 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by KOVACS</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151902</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Bash</i>
		<blockquote>Bash having an angry rant</blockquote>

Have you even read the 12 pages of useless bullshit? Apparently you missed my post on this page at the very least, and probably also Jones 4 pages back since you're basically making the same point he is.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:13:07 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by spnce</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151901</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[make sure u shut it behind yourself]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:12:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LOLbox</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151900</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Beer on the windowsill?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:12:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by spnce</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151899</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[LAL!!!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:11:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LOLbox</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151898</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Close the window spence.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:11:25 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Demourge</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151897</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Koeitje</i>
		<blockquote>Just let the frogs play. If you are so awesome demourge, why don't you go win your div first and promote by raping frogs?</blockquote>

What does that have to do with anything?
I'm pointing out something and we already said that we have no intention of doing a playoff and rather compete in div2. Nowhere did I say I believe px deserve to be there or have any intention to be there at this moment.
Stop trolling, it might make you look intelligent one day.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:09:32 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by spnce</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151896</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[this is fun]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:08:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LOLbox</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-13/?recent=151908#post=151895</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Bash</i>
		<blockquote>Why the fuck do you all care, most of you aren't even effected in the least, the decision was made and the admins already explained how they came to this conclusion and why there is no time to go through any tedious play-off procedures, what more do you want? All the admins have to go by is their gut lacking results to go by and the only difference between you and the admins is that your gut says otherwise. This isn't a fucking democracy, the admins have to make the calls, and writing ANOTHER twelve pages of regurgitated worthless bullshit about how you think team x is better isn't going to accomplish anything except annoy the shit out of people who have to read it (admins). 

Maybe it wasn't the right decision to make, you've all made it very clear in the last <b>12 FUCKING PAGES</b> that you think so, but what you're doing here is a waste time.</blockquote>

TRUTH BOMBS LOL!?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:08:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-12/?recent=151908#post=151894</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Just let the frogs play. If you are so awesome demourge, why don't you go win your div first and promote by raping frogs?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:06:32 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bash</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-12/?recent=151908#post=151893</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Why the fuck do you all care, most of you aren't even effected in the least, the decision was made and the admins already explained how they came to this conclusion and why there is no time to go through any tedious play-off procedures, what more do you want? All the admins have to go by is their gut lacking results to go by and the only difference between you and the admins is that your gut says otherwise. This isn't a fucking democracy, the admins have to make the calls, and writing ANOTHER twelve pages of regurgitated worthless bullshit about how you think team x is better isn't going to accomplish anything except annoy the shit out of people who have to read it (admins). 

Maybe it wasn't the right decision to make, you've all made it very clear in the last <b>12 FUCKING PAGES</b> that you think so, but what you're doing here is a waste time.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:05:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SEB</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8992/page-12/?recent=151908#post=151892</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[how can idk? frog jump straight from division 3 to 1 without having to prove themselves (officially) versus the other contender for division 1]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:03:47 +0100</pubDate>
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