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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Cup structure?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8862/page-2/?recent=150623#post=150623</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from DeNeusbeer</i>
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Pseudo-random :P Computers can't do random numbers. But as we first assign (pseudo)-random numbers with PHP, and then (pseudo)-randomly match the numbers in pairs with Ruby, it's random enough for me.</blockquote>

Aye, My point was, the degree to which it isn't random is not going to matter in something like drawing teams for a video game tournament. :P

<i>Quoted from Si^</i>
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*face palm* great input as always. </blockquote>

The fuck does that mean mate?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:15:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sidude7</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
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0.o

Computers have had random number generators for longer than they've had keyboards</blockquote>

*face palm* great input as always. 

also in response to the post think random is good gives everyone a chance to play anyone else, elsewhere in the tree.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:22:16 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DeNeusbeer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8862/page-2/?recent=150623#post=150461</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

0.o

Computers have had random number generators for longer than they've had keyboards</blockquote>
Pseudo-random :P Computers can't do random numbers. But as we first assign (pseudo)-random numbers with PHP, and then (pseudo)-randomly match the numbers in pairs with Ruby, it's random enough for me.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:08:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Randdalf</i>
		<blockquote>Yes, the magic of the FA Cup, I went to every round of Portsmouth's winning year 8)</blockquote>

Oh hi local friend :D I'm in Chichester]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:25:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Skylar</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8862/page-1/?recent=150623#post=150414</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Play up pompey!! Ahhh good times, good times.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:25:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Randdalf</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8862/page-1/?recent=150623#post=150413</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Yes, the magic of the FA Cup, I went to every round of Portsmouth's winning year 8)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:22:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Waster</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8862/page-1/?recent=150623#post=150386</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[http://xkcd.com/221/]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:12:09 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ca††</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Still, it isn't really random, the bot still follows some principals by assigning those numbers. After all a bot would need to have self conciousness to assign totally random numbers. And totally random doesn't really exist.</blockquote>

0.o

Computers have had random number generators for longer than they've had keyboards]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:04:26 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ca††</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Still, it isn't really random, the bot still follows some principals by assigning those numbers. After all a bot would need to have self conciousness to assign totally random numbers. And totally random doesn't really exist.</blockquote>

Cool story!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:04:54 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by cat</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8862/page-1/?recent=150623#post=150366</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from d2m</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

[...]
Also, it most definitely is random. Each team is randomly assigned a number by the bot - these are then shared in the channel. The IRC bot then picks the teams live in the channel.
[...]</blockquote>

Still, it isn't really random, the bot still follows some principals by assigning those numbers. After all a bot would need to have self conciousness to assign totally random numbers. And totally random doesn't really exist.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:51:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bury.</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8862/page-1/?recent=150623#post=148494</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from infussle</i>
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+1 
If the cup wasn't random at all, how would you go about the initial draw?</blockquote>
Seedings...
Even so; the point is that it's random every round; not just the initial.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:55:32 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Infusion</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from d2m</i>
		<blockquote>I think it adds a bit more excitement to the cup... a little magic like the FA Cup draw :D
</blockquote>

+1 
If the cup wasn't random at all, how would you go about the initial draw?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:41:19 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lucifer</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[yeah it really is nice playing idk for our second round, :@]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:25:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Bury.</i>
		<blockquote>Cups do not interest me greatly. The 'main cup' being since the 3rd I take it, to keep this formula.
Still curious as to why have it like this, if it IS actually random, is there not a chance of having top teams fighting each other in round 1 or 2 as opposed to a final, and having some fun division 6 team versus dignitas in the final, as great as it sounds; I doubt it would be much of a spectator match.

Such as the ESH lower bracket finals last night; would it have had such a good game being paired off using this random system? Just thoughts...</blockquote>

The FA Cup works in the same way :p More often than not you get a decent final. I think it's nice to have a competiton where a low team can potentially get through a couple of rounds.

Also, it most definitely is random. Each team is randomly assigned a number by the bot - these are then shared in the channel. The IRC bot then picks the teams live in the channel.

It's one of my favourite features in the league :3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:00:09 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bury.</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-8862/page-1/?recent=150623#post=148462</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Cups do not interest me greatly. The 'main cup' being since the 3rd I take it, to keep this formula.
Still curious as to why have it like this, if it IS actually random, is there not a chance of having top teams fighting each other in round 1 or 2 as opposed to a final, and having some fun division 6 team versus dignitas in the final, as great as it sounds; I doubt it would be much of a spectator match.

Such as the ESH lower bracket finals last night; would it have had such a good game being paired off using this random system? Just thoughts...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:54:55 +0100</pubDate>
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