they added an extra way for the attackers, more cover so the enemy doesnt know where you come from so i think its gotten better

Does anyone have any stv demos of this happening? I haven't seen it yet and I'd like to. I will be contacting some of the teams that played in the ESH cup tonight and/or tomorrow. I've been so busy at work, so I haven't heard any detailed feedback from it yet. It was good to see that the brackets went to form, that we didn't have any division 4 teams beating division 2 ones or whatever.

[...] Totally agree with this. I doubt anyone who likes this "offensive engineer" role has ever played it on gorge, I did. It's boring as hell.

[...] And an offensive engineer? SRSLY GUISE??!! Boring to play, even more boring to watch.

Playing a map with two engies on defence (which works very well)

I think Quickman has a good point. Defending in the room right before cp2 is pretty easy as it is, which makes it tough to destroy the sentry in the pit PLUS kill the opposing team. The other option is to control the whole room that has cp2 and then spam the sentry. If it's easier to take out the sentry next to the cap, then you can focus on a "normal" player v.s. player fight (instead of v.s. sentry). That would make it less random. The more I play the map, the more I think a forward respawn isn't necessary. It would eliminate the offensive engineer, which is part of the charm of this map. Besides that, it doesn't look as if the distance between spawn and cp2 is a lot more than say the distance between the spawn and cp2 on some stages of dustbowl (or spawn and C on gravelpit).