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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Turbine "exploit" - Should this be banned in ETF2L?&#8221;</title>
	<link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/</link>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hero</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6365</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Like i care]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:15:22 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ViQun</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6329</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[@Devil
Jump?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:45:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Devil</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6300</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[hmm.. and anyone can tell me, how to get there? Cause I tried it, and cant jump there with medic.. 

What is the right button pres?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:04:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Netsky</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6126</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[[sarcasm]give it some color and it's no longer invisible -&#62; allowed? [/sarcasm]

all I mean is, because it's invisible some want to forbid it... so just lets make turbine custom again, with the creator putting some paint on that brush -&#62; allowed ;)

for the actual situation I would say allowed, because you could also argue on "scout-only-paths" like... lets take badlands: between the middle ans the second point next to the resupply where that kind of bridge is, you can run along the wall because of a small piece of wood... ok this isn't scout only but still I think it's the same, you gain an advantage by running on a for real life impossible place to walk on.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:52:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ploddi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6105</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Simple trick with invisible clip-brush, for smooth corners. There is thousands of it on cs 1.6 maps. But author of map also done strange top slice, allow to use it for jump :/]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:00:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Haunter</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6101</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Ok guys! for now we decided to allow the bugs/map features, whatever u want to call it, if valve fixes it, we play with the fixes, if they dont we play without the fixes :)

Basicly, we will play the map as it is]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:29:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Haunter</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6051</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[heavy is able :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:49:24 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by veehell</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6050</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[BTW: we tried to master the "turbine jump" yesterday and it seems that all classe are able to jump there, only heavy guy is not able to do so.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:37:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by str8outtaCompton</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6021</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Competitive play involves <em>all</em> of the tools the game offers, including those that are in the game by accident. The only exploits that should be banned in leagues are those that remove the purpose of playing for one or both teams or those that give advantage only to the other team. This trick belongs to neither of those. I don't know if ETF2L shares this philosophy, but it well should :)

Whether the trick should be removed from the map is personal preference and has nothing to do with the question whether it should be banned.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:46:53 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Animal</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6019</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[tbh its easy to get up there,  ban it]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:36:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Haunter</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-3/?recent=6365#post=6013</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[league will make a statement soon, so just wait

but i would like to add, just because some ppl cant do it, ITS NOT A VALID REASON TO BAN IT :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:28:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Agron</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-2/?recent=6365#post=6012</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["Turbine is full of those issues (for example you can also jump up onto the flagroom roof, stand on thin air there"

Byte for example does this so often i'm surprised people don't automatically check the ceiling. But isn't he standing on the...pillar things rather than "thin air". So imo it's a map feature and not "illegal". :)

PS. Yarrrrr....dont take my "team quit in the middle of the game because a medic was up on the ledge"-rhetoric seriously. Because It _wasn't_ a serious scenario...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:28:12 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Devil</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-2/?recent=6365#post=6008</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Really dont understand why it should be banned? Its map structure, and you can get there alone, without help / cheat.. If you bann that, you can ban every soldier / Demo jump..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:58:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mick-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-2/?recent=6365#post=5998</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Turbine should be banned yes .(what , i didnt understand the thread ? SO WHAT !)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:07:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Wlv</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-790/page-2/?recent=6365#post=5973</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Haven't failed at doing it once, is really easy to do. You have to look at the advantages it gives you and in hindsight the advantages aren't that huge, 1 mid-sized health pack to be precise (in a really easilly defendable spot also!). It's not like it's an area thats completely in-accessable to any other class, or say behind the fences on dustbowl and so on :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:10:13 +0200</pubDate>
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