ETF2L – Latest activity in “Promotion / Relegation & divisions?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/ Reply by Grem https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-3/?recent=125178#post=125178 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=125178 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:32:48 +0100 Reply by Opettaja https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-3/?recent=125178#post=125173 All these things should be thought through before saying div2 gets this many slots and div3 this many. First get an overview how many teams will be able to compete at a certain level (teams already in the div, promoted teams, demoted teams, new teams) and then look at how the division system can accommodate all the teams. I've been thinking about the same thing for ages. You should really first have on overview of teams capable of playing in a certain level, because otherwise you'll have to put some teams in lower division than they deserve, which will end up in a boring season when you already know who's propably going to win. What's the point in this league if you can't play on your own level? It's pointless and no fun if you get raped or roll teams like no tomorrow. For example I don't think it would hurt to make div2 bigger when there are a lot of teams that can play on that level. The promotion/demotion system gets messed up every season with teams dropping so making a division bigger shouldn't be that big of a problem?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=125173 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:27:42 +0100 Reply by Koeitje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-3/?recent=125178#post=125156 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=125156 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:55:22 +0100 Reply by Jones https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124122 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124122 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:38:57 +0100 Reply by Depch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124083 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124083 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:50:41 +0100 Reply by Jones https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124060 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124060 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:34:56 +0100 Reply by GangsterAlgot https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124059 vlad for head admin please seconded.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124059 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:31:20 +0100 Reply by adam-skyride https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124055 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124055 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:20:27 +0100 Reply by Sturmis https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124049 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124049 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:09:40 +0100 Reply by Sturmis https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124047 A way to fix this would be to input the results from the league matches to the ladder, maybe with some manipulation of the k value. But maybe I should stop posting this here and start posing it in the Ladder thread That's been suggested a couple of times, but apparently the admins don't like the idea. No idea why :-(
On a related topic: If we use the ladder this way, we can't have seperate teams for the league and ladder.
I think most people just want 6v6 teams and ladders teams, both of which can play the ladder if they like. I don't really see why someone shouldn't be able to play ladder matches in different teams, maybe just limit the ladder team roster sizes to something reasonable.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124047 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:07:04 +0100 Reply by GangsterAlgot https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124042 You wouldn't. What would steamrolling div3/4/5/6 clans show? We in TDR are quite lucky with our div, most opponents still offer a good challenge. Wasn't expecting the russians and spaniards doing so well, combined with the default loss we have we can't afford any mistakes. If other top teams (div1-2) were active in the ladder you wouldn't play matches where you steamroll lower divs, you would play against teams at (hopefully) your skill level. The problem right now is that the higher div teams aren't active enough to make this happen. A way to fix this would be to input the results from the league matches to the ladder, maybe with some manipulation of the k value. But maybe I should stop posting this here and start posing it in the Ladder thread]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124042 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:01:32 +0100 Reply by Koeitje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124038 Actually, there is a great solution to all this. If the top teams actually used the ladder we would have acurate information about which team's better than the other. So now when the league is nearing the end I wish that the top teams could get active in the ladder and show that Team Vertex isn't the best team around (no offence to Team Vertex). On a related topic: If we use the ladder this way, we can't have seperate teams for the league and ladder. You wouldn't. What would steamrolling div3/4/5/6 clans show? We in TDR are quite lucky with our div, most opponents still offer a good challenge. Wasn't expecting the russians and spaniards doing so well, combined with the default loss we have we can't afford any mistakes.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124038 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:52:31 +0100 Reply by WARHURYEAH https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124036 what vlad said I agree with this, in some divisions there seems to be a big misplacement with the teams where one team is rolling all the others. However this is always going to happen, one team will always have a better team than the rest, which is why they are top, so it is upto the others to improve their game and become better. Hopefully things will balance itself out and people will be put into the correct divisions eventually, the tougher teams in the divisions will simply have to go up the long way to get where they belong.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124036 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:51:55 +0100 Reply by Randdalf https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124032 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124032 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:43:04 +0100 Reply by Depch https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7806/page-2/?recent=125178#post=124030 I don't think it should be any harder than it already is to get promoted. Some of the current div1 teams don't even play PCWS and they have barely won a map in the league. I don't think keeping those stale and un-competitive teams in the top flite is going to be an advantage to anyone. Yes this opinion is biased but yes it does have a good point before you rage. I'm also confused from Seraph's post. My viewpoint is rather this, I'd rather prove my worth to play in the upper division by beating the worst team from there than just get in and get assraped like what has happened LOL Team (sorry guys!=)) If you lose a series, well you clearly don't belong there, if you do, well it's well deserved and proven. And what you are talking is realistically about the situation how it is now, IF we did get a premiere division the current div1 would have 6 extra spots to add on for next season so it already would balance out the competition levels to pretty much how the teams actually are. IF we don't get the new system, which seems quite likely the divisions would balance themselves out in time as they'd have to prove their worth in playoff series, maybe not directly yet in the next season but eventually the better teams would stay in div1.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7806&post=124030 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:40:54 +0100