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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;So, what are my team meant to do now the rosters are locked?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by jEST</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-2/?recent=124532#post=124532</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm glad to see such positive support. I think teams that are trying to play the game fairly should get priority ruling over teams that would rather win (via a default) over actually playing tf2. Why join a tf2 league if you've no intention of playing it? :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:15:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Krakyn</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-2/?recent=124532#post=124252</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Give that across the 6 divisions we have one team facing issues with this rule and it's otherwise stopping the incredibly lame practice of skill doping any changes made to it should be minor. It's far easier to just review the one maybe two cases you'll get like this a season check the players being added are of a suitable level and waver it for the team involved or not punish them if they use 3 mercs. Putting loopholes in rules is just asking for trouble.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:20:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cairenn</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-2/?recent=124532#post=124250</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What this rule does is basically fuck up our team. Everyone always complains about how many teams drop. But when we, a team which has hit a rough patch, losing three players (two of 'em were key players) in a short matter of days, but are still together with no intention of folding even tho we had to basically rebuild the team from scratch, no exceptation can be made? 
 This is ridicolous. As well as the argument we should play our officials with mercs. We had a nice season and now we should rely on the mercy of our opposing teams to let us play with a full lineup?


Granted, if we would get a star trio from div 1/2, I would not see the possibility for an exceptation. We do not intent to do so. Our recruits will most likely come from dvi4/5.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:05:03 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SfnX</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-2/?recent=124532#post=124221</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[a good turnabout would be to only lock the rosters on the LAST week of ETF2L. However this will not take effect if a member joins from a dead team or for the actual match the teams allow him as a ringer/add to the roster.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:34:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-2/?recent=124532#post=124219</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[From talking to daykiller about this the other day, I think the rule will be reviewed for next season and a more sensible alternative will be put in place for Season 7. I do not believe things will be changed this season.

Cycles made a very good suggestion to move things forward himself, and I hope that we look to implement it or discuss it to adapt it as necessary.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:13:01 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Yoruichi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=124217</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[As said, I think blanketing the rule isn't what ETF2L plan to do - since obviously there will be cases like this which can be reviewed for the good of everyone involved. :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:02:12 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cloud</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=124216</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Surely after your last game you won't actually need to add more people?</blockquote>

We have our reasons]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:51:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by JimmyBreeze</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=124201</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Although I haven't heard back from admins on the forum yet, I'm pretty sure that we can deal with this to help Cycles's team and teams like them.

Like someone posted above, they're clearly not in violation of the spirit of the rule. Where people come to us with a good attitude and decent argument, we're of course willing to listen.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:01:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jones</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=124200</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Cycles, please can you let me know the outcome of this situation. I agree with your argument and I have a similar problem (although totally un-related to rosters). If an exception to this rule is made for the sake of common sense and all round mutual benefit, I'd very much like to know.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:58:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CaNtThInKoFaNaMe</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=124197</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Make exceptions...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:33:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Gubbins</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=124193</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Slightly offtopic here, but are they locked until the end of season, or until you've played your final game?  Just wondering whether I'll be needing to contact an admin for some lineup changes at the end of -our- season</blockquote>

Surely after your last game you won't actually need to add more people?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:25:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Cloud</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=124136</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Slightly offtopic here, but are they locked until the end of season, or until you've played your final game?  Just wondering whether I'll be needing to contact an admin for some lineup changes at the end of -our- season]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:25:08 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=124111</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote> Default hunting can stay in CS, I don't play in a league to get free wins.</blockquote>

Default hunting is majorly bum-hole-tastic!  Hate it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:51:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by D2M</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=123804</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[We've always enjoyed playing you full-strength and had some great games in the past. It's a real shame to see things go so far downhill that you can barely get half a team together.

I hope you manage to find some players and we can have a good match, as neither a default nor the prospect of playing 3 people is something any of us in Vertex want :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:40:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fJack</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7801/page-1/?recent=124532#post=123797</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I have, though we haven't come to much agreement other than "If you can't get 5, you have to default" with the odd hope that the opposing team lets us play with 1/2 ringers. Hopefully they won't mind, even if it has to be a div 6 ringer :)</blockquote>
I think you being forced to either default or play with three is farcical.

I'd rather play a proper match against you even if it means half of your team is composed of ringers. This rule was put in place to stop BS like Div 1 players joining lower teams to help them stomp the opposition, not punish teams that have no desire to fold despite tough roster issues. 

Hopefully everything is sorted out to everyone's satisfaction. Default hunting can stay in CS, I don't play in a league to get free wins.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:17:37 +0100</pubDate>
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