ETF2L – Latest activity in “Question..” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/ Reply by Buffalo Bill https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-2/?recent=118872#post=118872 Clearly that's not my decision to make, and thus it would be unfair of me to comment from the point of view of the league. As things stand the rules are on the front page, and clarification on these can be obtained from the League's Head Admin team. I stated a personal opinion, which I am perfectly entitled to do. My opinion, as I clearly noted has nothing to do with ETF2L's stance - and therefore I am only stating my own feelings. Perhaps instead of talking to our Admin team like we're a group of idiots and accusing us of dodging questions, you could appreciate the fact that many of us do care about the situation and that I personally have a very similar viewpoint to yours. I'm not here to question dodge or to split opinions about what people think the best course of action is. I commented because you brought up a topic that I feel quite strongly about and I hope that we can get it resolved. What I do object to though is the continual way that people make derogatory comments towards the whole Admin team. We volunteer our time for the league, whilst it is appreciated that everyone has their own opinion on each decision that is made, sometimes it helps to take a few moments to appreciate that everyone is human and we all want to play a game that we enjoy. If you feel you can do a better job than the current Admin team, I'm sure your application would be welcome :) Kinda hard to not think of the admin team as a group of idiots when so far their only response has been either been mocking the issue with this
wall of text cheers Byte
(that literally was all he posted) or some half-assed attempt at putting this forward as a good rule (Anakin) without any actual valid argument. Don't get me wrong, I've been an admin in another community and I know how hard your job is. I'm certainly not denying how much work goes into it. But there's no denying this highly selective rule is put in place with the only justification being "because we say so". Whether you hacked in CS 1.6 and got VAC1'd or in CS:S and got VAC2'd shouldn't matter, you hacked therefore you get banned. Period. Not "you can play in VAC2 servers therefore you are ok.".]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118872 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:00:27 +0100 Reply by Anathema https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-2/?recent=118872#post=118870 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118870 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:57:45 +0100 Reply by D2M https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118857 Since there's a new topic and no-one answered my question in mine and I don't feel like bumping it, what's going to happen to people new to the ETF2L scene with VAC banned accounts? Instabanned without ever knowing what they did wrong or what? http://etf2l.org/2009/11/01/vac-bans-one-week-left/ - Previous VAC bans news post. If the player can prove he is able to join a secure TF2 server with his account, then it's a VAC1 ban and not VAC2. Therefore he would be fine to play in ETF2L. A player can contact any of the Anti-Cheat team to verify that their account is fine to play HL2 engine games on.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118857 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:17:29 +0100 Reply by Up https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118852 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118852 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:12:31 +0100 Reply by Waster https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118849 So D2M, am i to assume that a) because you don't believe in retrospective bans and b) because it is to DETER cheats, that you will go through the VAC2 bans and find out anyone who cheated under the OLD rule system, and not impose a ban on them. Afterall, in your own words, it is not fair to ban people for breaking new rules in the past. I have a large problem with you saying that "it is not a logical comparison". This is a logical comparison - people who were VAC2 banned over 10 months ago are in the same boat as payard who cheated 10 months ago. However payard will become unbanned in ~2 months, but the VAC2 people will not. Also, you didn't directly answer my question, though you hopped around it quite well. The - now adjusted - question is this: People who have cheated in ETF2L games 10 months ago will remain banned for 1 year. People who have not cheated in ETF2L games but have cheated in CSS 10 months ago will now, retrospectively, be banned for 2 years. Is that the policy which ETF2L will now enforce and continue with? +1]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118849 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:07:35 +0100 Reply by D2M https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118848 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118848 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:06:05 +0100 Reply by vlad_drac https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118839 The ETF2L rules regarding cheating were changed to reflect longer 2 year bans for people cheating in source games, whether it's TF2, CSS, DOD:S etc. As far as things stand currently - If someone was to be caught cheating in TF2 now, they'd be banned as per the rules which is 2 years. Payard cheated and was banned by the old rules which gave him a 1 year ban. It's really not very logical to compare a ban made under a different set of rules to the rules as they exist currently. Hopefully the rules will deter people who want to cheat in source games, as it's sad to see those who have to further their game with artificial help rather than spending more time playing a game and gaining more skill. From a personal perspective that has nothing to do with ETF2L, I do not think retrospective bans for people that cheated before the rules were changed should be for 2 years, whatever the game. A 1 year ban should be sufficient since that was the rule in place at the time. So D2M, am i to assume that a) because you don't believe in retrospective bans and b) because it is to DETER cheats, that you will go through the VAC2 bans and find out anyone who cheated under the OLD rule system, and not impose a ban on them. Afterall, in your own words, it is not fair to ban people for breaking new rules in the past. I have a large problem with you saying that "it is not a logical comparison". This is a logical comparison - people who were VAC2 banned over 10 months ago are in the same boat as payard who cheated 10 months ago. However payard will become unbanned in ~2 months, but the VAC2 people will not. Also, you didn't directly answer my question, though you hopped around it quite well. The - now adjusted - question is this: People who have cheated in ETF2L games 10 months ago will remain banned for 1 year. People who have not cheated in ETF2L games but have cheated in CSS 10 months ago will now, retrospectively, be banned for 2 years. Is that the policy which ETF2L will now enforce and continue with?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118839 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:54:45 +0100 Reply by Killchain https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118831 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118831 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:44 +0100 Reply by Infusion https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118830 I cheated at 'one slime' back in year 8. inb4 bad joke. oh wait..]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118830 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:19 +0100 Reply by D2M https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118829 nothing to do with ETF2L, I do not think retrospective bans for people that cheated before the rules were changed should be for 2 years, whatever the game. A 1 year ban should be sufficient since that was the rule in place at the time.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118829 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:37:24 +0100 Reply by ilike2spin https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118826 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118826 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:28:13 +0100 Reply by toasty. https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118825 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118825 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:26:49 +0100 Reply by sgN https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118821
Are ETF2L still going ahead with this policy: People who HAVE cheated in the etf2l league get banned for 1 year. (payard) People who HAVE cheated in css get banned for 2 years. (see front page) Is that still the case? Is that what this league is going ahead with?
Do I really have to explain this ? People who play counterstrike should be punished double as hard than the people who are playing tf2. +1]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118821 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:23:26 +0100 Reply by Ka0s https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118820 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118820 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:23:14 +0100 Reply by Buffalo Bill https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-7573/page-1/?recent=118872#post=118818 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=7573&post=118818 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:21:04 +0100