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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;New Forum rules&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Akasazh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-5/?recent=105708#post=105708</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I must say this ruleset feels rather machiavellistic ruleset prone to result in a new 'exploring the edge of the rules' by some immature enough, or fed up enough with the admin team.

And I thought gryzor was the machiavellist ;o.

I feel a spell of tragedy that might weed out a couple of the players falling in the categories mentioned above, but wich might distance even more then those players from the league.

I say http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7686/ruleso.gif

Common sense moderating as was always in place sufficed imho]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:29:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ZeyOrk</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-5/?recent=105708#post=105692</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[so Sexy &#60;3]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:17:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rynex</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-5/?recent=105708#post=105687</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[New rules seem great. I wonder what the grey area is on some of these though, as pointed out with the potential sarcastic mocking and what not, but I guess the best thing to do is see how heavy handed the admins are when people fuck up and go from there.

For those who seem a bit worried about not being able to talk about Politics and Religion on here, let me say this.

It shouldn't matter what your opinions are, and trying to talk about either of those two subjects pretty much always leads to a flamewar. I've seen people try many, many times, and there's always one who has to have an unpopular opinion. It's better to just go to a bulletin board designed for that purpose, rather than do it on a forum where only a few people get what you're talking about.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:37:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Freezer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-5/?recent=105708#post=105663</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>decided to read them ,looks like we need a new league, what a joke.</blockquote>

cya, I'm sure you'll be missed.</blockquote>

I think it's good rules, and like someone else said, just hope people follow them...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:21:46 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by byte</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-5/?recent=105708#post=105660</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Because this forum is treated as a public forum not a TF2 one Kaidus. *and the penny drops*

Cheers

Byte]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:59:26 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105651</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Does anyone really care about racism on the internet? Seriously it's the internet, if you are offended because someone calls you a nigga or whatever ON THE INTERNET you have far bigger problems to concern yourself with.</blockquote>
or we could just pretend for little while that we're not 13 and don't feel the need to express our angst by using naughty words our parents told us not to say. just saying.</blockquote>

It isn't going to happen though as it's the INTERNET. The phrase "internets srs business" didn't come for no reason. If you take the shit you see here seriously then something's up. Let people be racist you anti-racist mother fuckers.

THE GAME IS RATED M SO WHY NOT THE COMMUNITY?!!?!?!?! REBEL?!?!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:32:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by cheetah</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105642</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>(minus) x (minus) = (plus)</blockquote>
(minus) + (minus) = ((m0re) minus) :P]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:54:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sneis</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105639</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I think the new rules are fine. It is mostly common sense.
The rules about politics and religion is a bit strange though. I don't see the problem as long as the other rules are implemented (about a polite tone when you discuss). 
Why should those topics be separated from eveything else ?
Also, it is hard to say what is politics and what is not. In some sense almost every opinion is "politics".</blockquote>

<blockquote>Keep the attitude Xzar should be amusing in the future posts to come from you (if any) =)

Sneis you raise a good point problem is 1% of the public will go on a serious route down those two topics, so to avoid it completely we just ruled it out, the admins will know if you or anyone else is having a banter or joking with a mate or being hostile/inappropriate.

:x

Cheers

Byte</blockquote>

Iller läääääs :P]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:47:03 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fJack</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105584</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Does anyone really care about racism on the internet? Seriously it's the internet, if you are offended because someone calls you a nigga or whatever ON THE INTERNET you have far bigger problems to concern yourself with.</blockquote>
or we could just pretend for little while that we're not 13 and don't feel the need to express our angst by using naughty words our parents told us not to say. just saying.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:47:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105583</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Does anyone really care about racism on the internet? Seriously it's the internet, if you are offended because someone calls you a nigga or whatever ON THE INTERNET you have far bigger problems to concern yourself with.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:45:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by eoN</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105575</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Permanent ban from forums for racism? k.</blockquote>

Tbh, I don't think racism is ever likely to be an issue in etf2l, I know the whole .tB thing happened but besides that which is an in-country dispute and not really racism, I just don't see it.

Europe is such a culturally diverse area that you can't be racist simply because your speaking to such a wide variety of people anyway, also, I don't think there is a single person involved in this league who is truely racist.

The problems arise though when people mis-interpret racism. For example, Im scottish, If I was to make an anti-English joke then most people would get it and not see it as racist, including a English admin. However an admin from Germany might not know all the joke connotations and interpret as racism, therefore giving me a ban.

This is the problem with trying to make abstract concepts objective.</blockquote>

Your not Scottish, we dont want you. You can be Welsh or English.

Anyway back to the point, there has in the past been people who are extremely racist (eg Mario, if you knew him / have ever played with / against him you would know how racist he is...) its good to see 0 tolerance on racism even though it SHOULD go without saying.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:36:48 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Permanent ban from forums for racism? k.</blockquote>

Tbh, I don't think racism is ever likely to be an issue in etf2l, I know the whole .tB thing happened but besides that which is an in-country dispute and not really racism, I just don't see it.

Europe is such a culturally diverse area that you can't be racist simply because your speaking to such a wide variety of people anyway, also, I don't think there is a single person involved in this league who is truely racist.

The problems arise though when people mis-interpret racism. For example, Im scottish, If I was to make an anti-English joke then most people would get it and not see it as racist, including a English admin. However an admin from Germany might not know all the joke connotations and interpret as racism, therefore giving me a ban.

This is the problem with trying to make abstract concepts objective.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:18:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Limon</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105548</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Permanent ban from forums for racism? k.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:41:18 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Daggial</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105545</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[BUG THERE!
what's happening if i don't want to accept the rules because i don't want to use the forum, but I still want to talk to opponents in match page just to schedule a match? :)
matches are checked constatly by the admins, i don't see the problem if you allow every player to write there, cause admins can see offences/flames/etc by their own]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:35:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6856/page-4/?recent=105708#post=105533</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I'm so tempted to make jokes about oversensitive *you fill in the blanks. :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:17:20 +0200</pubDate>
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