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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;what happened with ban the fan poll?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by baerbel</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-2/?recent=102663#post=102663</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Read the news --&#62; http://etf2l.org/2009/09/17/season-6-status-rules-twitter/

The recent polls did not work out as planned, due to some idiots trying to manipulate the outcome of the polls by creating multiple accounts. About 1500 votes had to be deleted and a few guys won a league ban till 1.1.2010 – congratulations. Have in mind public polls are done to give us some impression about community’s opinion and don’t necessary decide how we handle issues. It’s not worth it.

As the FaN poll ended more or less in a draw there was another internal staff discussion where we decided to go with FaN limit 1. Please do not discuss this issue anymore – it won’t change anything.

Closed.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:54:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ijantis</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-2/?recent=102663#post=102662</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[can an admin please close this thread question has been answered above and we dont need another 50 page flame war]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:51:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102537</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>counter?
because u r better with FaN?</blockquote>

No because it's the only way to counter a quick 2 shot by the fan. Mid fights don't leave much room for normal anti-fan measures (aka keeping him far away).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:45:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by cheetah</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102536</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[counter?
because u r better with FaN?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:44:08 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102532</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>what are you using Koeitje (e.g. @ badlands)?</blockquote>

Scatter. Cba with that gun, the sound alone makes me rage. If enemy uses quick rush techniques on mid with the fan I counter it by using the fan.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:40:04 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kluniQ</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102531</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[jesus christ, let this argument die already, just get on with season 6]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:38:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by cheetah</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102524</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[what are you using Koeitje (e.g. @ badlands)?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:15:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102522</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>
I am actually curious if any div1 teams actually desire to play with it on? :o</blockquote>As far as I know they consider the FaN to be inferior to the scattergun.

Thats also the reason why improving the fan isnt really found important in the beta.</blockquote>
This is because they are already at the top of the skill ceiling for this game. The fan just allows players from a lower skill tier to play at a higher level. For example a div4 scattergun scout could play div3 with the fan.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:13:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102512</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
I am actually curious if any div1 teams actually desire to play with it on? :o</blockquote>As far as I know they consider the FaN to be inferior to the scattergun.

Thats also the reason why improving the fan isnt really found important in the beta.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:17:54 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CaptainBadger</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>what get one vote from every team in etf2l... that is not a bad idea.
but obviously if the vote to keep the fan happens from this then we should ignore it and ban it anyway</blockquote>

Haven't there already been like 3 polls for it? Meaning the logic of "Oh no, they want it, we have to make another poll to try and ban it now!" has already been applied.

I'm with Klu. Stop the QQ, too late to change anything now, just get on with owning the idiot when he's reloading or whatever you feel like doing.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:09:02 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102510</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[what get one vote from every team in etf2l... that is not a bad idea.
but obviously if the vote to keep the fan happens from this then we should ignore it and ban it anyway]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:05:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Slick</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102506</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What would have actually been interesting is to see the result of a vote by 1 team leader of each team for each division. The Fan ban has been taken seriously by the community but not enuff by the admins...using a simple open poll system to judge if they should ban or not. Sure it did not determine...whatever :)

I am actually curious if any div1 teams actually desire to play with it on? :o]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:44:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kluniQ</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102504</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Less QQ, more pew pew]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:39:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102503</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Awww what the Ban vote was in the lead by like 30-60 votes since the poll began! like the whole way through! i had it on my calendar, i was gonna buy all the admins a Ferrari if it got banned too. shame. 

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE. now we will just get perma infested with fan dicks who cant aim. do 7 damage to you and let their teams good scout kill you while you cant move. or worse a good scout who constantly manages to one shot. hardly a fair wepon!  dont mind the power of it, its just the rage stun. the game was fun without it and everyone was happy with the scout. so now that they have added it in. and people dont find it fun why do we have it. 

its not that the players in the league cant adjust. its that they find the bloody thing annoying. because you are forced to go against your morals and use the blasted thing yourself!  WHY WHY WHY QQ]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:36:32 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ViQun</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6695/page-1/?recent=102663#post=102417</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Yeah, it's unlucky. I know :(]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:45:55 +0200</pubDate>
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