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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Cheaters second chance&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by DoN_CORL3onE</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144209</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[There's no problem guys, forget it, i'll not make any other questions...cause as far as i can see i'm one of the few "special people" who are disgusted by the mere idea to play with (ex?)cheaters, even if in previous game.


cya bacicci]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:11:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by The7alfa</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144153</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[leave cheaters alone *cries like chris crocker*]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:26:17 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144138</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from lork</i>
		<blockquote>I am not interested in opinion of a bunch of cryers, im interested in the opinion of all experienced player :D
</blockquote>
Those experienced players who are good in spotting cheaters should apply for the anti cheat team then.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:31:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by atreides</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144136</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If you had some cheater history in your clan, think twice what you're posting.

Or you could just name sraam's second account.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:25:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144135</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Wait, why do we have this thread again? Isn't that like 200+ pages of discussion on this now in the last 6 months?

Only "special people" like Don have any issues with the rules atm.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:20:50 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tapley</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144131</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hmm, release evidence just to satisfy the curiosty of a few nubs. Or dont release evidence so cheaters are always on the back foot thinking "hmm how did they get caught? Maybe they'll catch me? I wonder what methods they used"

No brainer?!

Some of the admins are expirienced players/anti cheaters so just let them do their job and quit whining.

And Don corlene get a clue before posting loads of random crap, its pretty obvious why we dont ban people with HL1 vac bans.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:58:09 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by lork</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144125</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Jonni</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

such brilliant insight. because of this I think we should make all evidence we've ever collected, public. AT ONCE!!!!</blockquote>

just do it please :D

<i>Quoted from Buffalo Bill</i>
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You know what will happen when they make it public? People who have no idea on how to spot hacks will cry "There is no aimbot/wallhack/whatever there, unjust ban!". Bad idea.</blockquote>

I am not interested in opinion of a bunch of cryers, im interested in the opinion of all experienced player :D

<i>Quoted from GangsterAlgot</i>
		<blockquote>Can we please stop discussing ban lengths and release of evidence? This has been dwelled on more than enough. Search the forum to read the billion of threads about this.</blockquote>

you are right sorry, this is my last post on this thread]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:21:01 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GangsterAlgot</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144121</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Can we please stop discussing ban lengths and release of evidence? This has been dwelled on more than enough. Search the forum to read the billion of threads about this.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:05:38 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Buffalo Bill</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144119</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from lork</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I think that 1 year is just fine for a ban whitout public evidence ;D</blockquote>

You know what will happen when they make it public? People who have no idea on how to spot hacks will cry "There is no aimbot/wallhack/whatever there, unjust ban!". Bad idea.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:00:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by jonni the juicy jew</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144118</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from lork</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I think that 1 year is just fine for a ban whitout public evidence ;D</blockquote>

such brilliant insight. because of this I think we should make all evidence we've ever collected, public. AT ONCE!!!!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:57:57 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by lork</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-13/?recent=144209#post=144117</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Hildreth</i>
		<blockquote>If you cheat I think perm ban, no questions they shouldn't cheat. Simple.</blockquote>

I think that 1 year is just fine for a ban whitout public evidence ;D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:53:51 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hildreth</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-12/?recent=144209#post=144115</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If you cheat I think perm ban, no questions they shouldn't cheat. Simple.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:49:11 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kitty jones</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-12/?recent=144209#post=144112</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[well they suffer a league ban for at least one year and they are marked as cheaters. ain't it enough justice? it's not like they cheat, get caught and are allowed to keep playing. their e-image (LOL?) is pretty much ruined. look at guys like abra. even if they'd try to play as clean and transparent as possible.. it's pretty obvious that nobody will ever consider them serious anymore.

// err I see I drifted into TF2 bans. guess we were talking about HL1 bans. so pretty much ignore this post :p]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:44:57 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DoN_CORL3onE</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from wer</i>
		<blockquote>[...]Ye, if only all cheaters were poor guys this would be the way to go</blockquote>
Mate every cheater IS a really poor guy.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:12:13 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kattkuk</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-6589/page-12/?recent=144209#post=144103</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from DoN_CORL3onE</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I understand your point mate, but answer me a question pls.

If I'm a poor guy who can't play decently and i'm thinking about using cheats, which rule could persuade me to do not use cheats? We got 2 options:

1) if the rule says "if u get caught cheating u can never play again", the poor guy will think that maybe it's better to do not cheat, that if this happens and he being caught he'll have to buy a new account and probably he'll lose every friend on this game and so he should start everything from the beginning.

2) if the rule says "if u get caught cheating u'll play but WE KNOW WHO U ARE", the same poor guy can probably think "hey maybe i can try to cheat, cause even if i get caught i'll just have to do not use cheats anymore...but if they don't caught me i can own everyone!!!!!"

The main purpose of every law is to deter people from committing certain actions with the threat of certain consequences.
The actual rule has the opposite function. Think about it.

For Hellfish: what's the problem with you?</blockquote>Ye, if only all cheaters were poor guys this would be the way to go]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:01:12 +0100</pubDate>
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