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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;FaN limited to 2 in S6?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by N3.Largos</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-8/?recent=95804#post=95804</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Vali: This was actually quite enjoyable until you had to be all tiresome and boring. Your lack of sense of humour is appalling. What makes it truly frightening though, is that you actually mix in the "admin" stuff in it. I'd also like to remind yo...

Oh, why do I bother. Fuck this shit.</blockquote>

Why do you bother, stop derailing this thread with personal attacks.

<blockquote>If you dislike people bringing up your admin status in the context of your abusive comments you should probably stop using your admin status to intimidate people you have a personal problem with, tbh. It's kinda immature and inconsistent.</blockquote>

Back on topic discussing the FaN please.</blockquote>

<blockquote>
Pretty sure it's just Gryzor being Gryzor. What Koeitje was saying (which was pretty obvious if you have half a brain) is that FaN is not a problem in the states because the majority of people think it's too cheap to use. Here however most people don't not use it out of principle but are happy instead to abuse it's cheapness, hence a lack of honour from the majority that isn't found in the US TF2 scene. I think it'd be pretty moronic to think that Koeitje was trying to claim that FaN-users and non-FaN-users lack honour here and that everyone in the US had honour regardless of whether they used the FaN.

A little bit of intelligence would go a long way to helping people not think of you as a moron Gryzor, as would laying off the (in this case unwarrented) abusive comments help improve people's perception of you as an admin.

Edit: "Perhaps we should do with you like you advocate for the FAN, ban things on a personal whim that are annoying but actually have not done anything wrong?" &#60;- Exemplary admin attitude there ladies and gents.</blockquote>

<blockquote>If you dislike people bringing up your admin status in the context of your abusive comments you should probably stop using your admin status to intimidate people you have a personal problem with, tbh. It's kinda immature and inconsistent.</blockquote>

I'm sorry, page 7 of this thread was just appalling.  The above are quoted because I can't put into words what a douchebag you are, Gryzor. 

But I can try.   

You have given the largest and most stable TF2 league a bad reputation with your personal attacks, arrogant attitude, and double standards.  You are always eager to start e-drama when it's the duty of an admin to defuse such situations and mediate conflicts.  You hide behind your admin powers with an attitude of disdain for all those around you, even those who present clear and well-reasoned arguments without a hint of flame.  

I hold these truths to be self-evident.  That all forum-dwellers are endowed by their ISP with certain inalienable rights, that among these are bandwidth, lulz, and umbrage from admin abuse.

If I met you in real life I would have no choice but to slap you across the face with a glove.  For you sir, are a cad.

Ban me if you must (I know quote trains are your kryptonite, right?), but just know that others will continue to be keyboard cowboys fighting for great justice on these interblogs.

I bid you good day, sir.

Back on topic: FaN limit 1 sounds appealing to me.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:09:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Vali</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-8/?recent=95804#post=95620</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Vali: This was actually quite enjoyable until you had to be all tiresome and boring. Your lack of sense of humour is appalling. What makes it truly frightening though, is that you actually mix in the "admin" stuff in it. I'd also like to remind yo...

Oh, why do I bother. Fuck this shit.</blockquote>

Why do you bother, stop derailing this thread with personal attacks.

Back on topic discussing the FaN please.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:37:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fallen seraph</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-8/?recent=95804#post=95619</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If you dislike people bringing up your admin status in the context of your abusive comments you should probably stop using your admin status to intimidate people you have a personal problem with, tbh. It's kinda immature and inconsistent.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:34:09 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by gryzor</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-8/?recent=95804#post=95617</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Vali: This was actually quite enjoyable until you had to be all tiresome and boring. Your lack of sense of humour is appalling. What makes it truly frightening though, is that you actually mix in the "admin" stuff in it. I'd also like to remind yo...

Oh, why do I bother. Fuck this shit.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:28:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Vali</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-8/?recent=95804#post=95613</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>wut?</blockquote>

Pretty sure it's just Gryzor being Gryzor. What Koeitje was saying (which was pretty obvious if you have half a brain) is that FaN is not a problem in the states because the majority of people think it's too cheap to use. Here however most people don't not use it out of principle but are happy instead to abuse it's cheapness, hence a lack of honour from the majority that isn't found in the US TF2 scene. I think it'd be pretty moronic to think that Koeitje was trying to claim that FaN-users and non-FaN-users lack honour here and that everyone in the US had honour regardless of whether they used the FaN.

A little bit of intelligence would go a long way to helping people not think of you as a moron Gryzor, as would laying off the (in this case unwarrented) abusive comments help improve people's perception of you as an admin.

Edit: "Perhaps we should do with you like you advocate for the FAN, ban things on a personal whim that are annoying but actually have not done anything wrong?" &#60;- Exemplary admin attitude there ladies and gents.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:21:36 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by gryzor</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-7/?recent=95804#post=95611</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Since you think it was hard to comprehend that post you quote-trained, let me summarize:

<blockquote>you are a dumb llamah
</blockquote>

If there are any word there you find hard to understand, let me know and I'll do my best.

... Or, I might just posting stupid shit whenever you post something, since that's what you are doing towards everyone who actually have something useful to say in these discussions, and it's annoying the fuck out of me. Perhaps we should do with you like you advocate for the FAN, ban things on a personal whim that are annoying but actually have not done anything wrong? 

Bluuuuuue, blueeeee skies...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:20:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-7/?recent=95804#post=95608</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Maybe you should start making sense for a change.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:15:19 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by gryzor</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-7/?recent=95804#post=95607</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Not to mention you do magic quote-trains that spams the thread. Really useful when it's just you and me typing! Refer to my post above to avoid this in the future.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:13:08 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-7/?recent=95804#post=95605</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>It's more because the tf2 players in the states have honor :P. See turtle's post here http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-5479/

You can't compare feeling towards certain maps vs feeling towards a broken weapon.</blockquote>
So, what you are saying is that you have no honor? Well, I've been thinking that for a long time.

So, what you are saying is just because 'some' people are idiots, you automatically include yourself in that group, because you know you got no self control in general and that you can't resist any temptations in life and automatically will abuse it? Well, I've been thinking that for a long time too.

Don't drag the rest of us down just because you are a dumb llamah. 

Well, I've been thinking that for a long time as well, now I've said it.</blockquote>

wut?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:10:08 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by gryzor</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-7/?recent=95804#post=95604</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>It's more because the tf2 players in the states have honor :P. See turtle's post here http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-5479/

You can't compare feeling towards certain maps vs feeling towards a broken weapon.</blockquote>
So, what you are saying is that you have no honor? Well, I've been thinking that for a long time.

So, what you are saying is just because 'some' people are idiots, you automatically include yourself in that group, because you know you got no self control in general and that you can't resist any temptations in life and automatically will abuse it? Well, I've been thinking that for a long time too.

Don't drag the rest of us down just because you are a dumb llamah. 

Well, I've been thinking that for a long time as well, now I've said it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:07:18 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-5426/page-7/?recent=95804#post=95600</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's more because the tf2 players in the states have honor :P. See turtle's post here http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-5479/

You can't compare feeling towards certain maps vs feeling towards a broken weapon.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:58:21 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Satako</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[I was just having a look around and, correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't appear to be an issue at all in US leagues... the only thing that's banned is The Sandman. I think I came across one US league that had banned the sniper/spy unlocks but that was probably due to them coming into effect while the league was being played.

I might be wrong -- I can't claim to be an expert of the US scene -- but from my limited research, it appears that we're all arguing over something that's perfectly accepted as the standard overseas.

Also, as a quick aside, I noticed that they play a <i>hell</i> of a lot more maps than we do. Perhaps, as a community, we are just stuck in our ways? Even stubborn?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:16:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RUJa</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[idd]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:56:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Koeitje</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Last time I played you had to hit someone to make some decent damage. And last time I hit someone, it required me to aim (well not really when spamming pipes as demoman, reckon a ban is on its way right?).</blockquote>

http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:55:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RUJa</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Last time I played you had to hit someone to make some decent damage. And last time I hit someone, it required me to aim (well not really when spamming pipes as demoman, reckon a ban is on its way right?).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:51:33 +0200</pubDate>
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