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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Ladder? XD&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by sajh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=351</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["elitist" you say? Both h-man and i play in div 3b :) only 1 div below us, so i wouldnt say that either of us are playing in "the top".]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:13:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Chewy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=348</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Fair enough Daykiller but i just think Enemy Down, Clanbase, and ESL ladders are shit :&#124; for the reasons labelled above and i think all the people anti to this idea are the 'elitists' :P in high divisions, who just want to stay at the top and play amounst themselves XD. But maybe someday you'll consider a 'good' ladder, as i think that'd be awesome :P]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:08:36 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sajh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=347</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I prefer the league style as it feel as if every game is more important hence played more seriously. You play every clan in your division once, if you fail to beat em you cannot simply challenge them again and hope to win. 

In my eyes ladder games are little more than pcws :).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:56:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dAyKiLLeR</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=346</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hey,

we will surely stay at our Division System for the moment. Who knows if we maybe will do a ladder beside that some day, but nothing planned yet.

If you want to play Ladder games, have a look at EnemyDown, ESL or Clanbase :)

- dAy]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:05:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by treigzak</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=345</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[we play alot of ESL ladder games. its like more serious pcw's, nothing wrong there]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:39:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mick is Cursed</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=343</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[ladder sux .]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:37:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Chewy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=342</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Heyy!! I love negative feedback with support :P, you just didn't seem very constructive e.g;
Give examples of why you don't like ladders, why they don't work,
I've given an awesome example of a good ladder, did you even look? :p
Comparing ladders/leagues.

Well i've recieved a beat-down already :p]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:47:50 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by H-Man</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=341</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[if you can't take negative feedback, don't post on a board.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:20:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Chewy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=340</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Enough crap ladders ye :P Would be cool to have a nice one, and yeah i said constructive ciritism/feedback so if you're gunna post that...just don't :S]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:01:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by H-Man</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=339</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I hate ladders :(
there is no winner, no fixed match schedule, differently skilled teams are just above/below each other because of "jumping".

ETF2L, please stick to your system.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:00:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by shifty</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=338</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Theres enough ladders, this is a good league and id prefer it to stay league based format]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:57:52 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Chewy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=337</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Sorry for triple post but you can't edit :P

Another great thing about having such a league is that it houses every single team, rather than having sign up periods which then end, people can join at any point, and you have seasons of like 6 months. And at the end of the 6 months the top 5 teams or something get a prize, as well as other awards or smthn :S]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:54:51 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Chewy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=336</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[CRAAPPPPPP WRONG LINK LOL 

http://www.gamearena.com.au/pc/games/title/team-fortress-2/ladder/index.php?action=rankings]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:52:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Created by Chewy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-54/page-1/?recent=351#post=335</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hey guyzzz i know i'm gunna be flamed but here it goez anyway :P. 

Would be really cool if instead of your league tables you did a 'good' ladder, i say good ladder cause i think enemy down and ESL ladders are not good ones. Reasons;
A proper ladder (One where a team challenges a team no more than 5-10 or if there's loads of teams 10-15 places above them) Is much better than all this point based BS of Enemy down and ESL :P. Also you could include rules such as teams that sucesffully defend are 'protected' from challenge for a few days.

This site is much more popular than enemy down and ESL and has pretty much all the good teams in.

I'll show you an example of where a ladder has worked REALLY REALLY well; http://www.esl.eu/eu/tf2/6on6/ladder/match/9004707/    

This is the australian communities ladder and it has worked really really well, i think this could be done with u guys with some rule changes rather than this league tables.

Contructive critisim/feedback plz :X]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:52:15 +0100</pubDate>
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