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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;are yoyotech2 going to be promoted again?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by byte</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73329</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Idd he just wanted a reaction off some of you guys/gals and he got it :/ 

We all know the deal with YYT² bar him so leave him to be...

Best to close so no more players get sucked into the provoking topic :x

Cheers

Byte]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:00:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by sajh</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73327</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[
but if results outside of etf2l count then we can just as well skip the etf2l games and just check all the other leagues + pcws instead ;)

No flame intended, yyt2 are my honeybunnies, but over all i think that the only way of climbing in the division should be by proving yourself in etf2l. If i were to chose, all new teams would have to start out in div6 and work their way up, but that would cause too many clanjumping kids to go berzerk ;).

But to take a strike at ourselves, jÄgarna got moved up to div2 without actually qualifying. In my defense I did reject at first, but as my opinion differed with that of the team an internal vote lead us to accept the promotion;P. Personally I still think we should have had to duke it out in div3, and earn the div2 spot the old fashioned way :)

All this comes down to a conflict of priorities... on one hand we want a fair and equal promotion system (if you win, you get promoted.. no exceptions) on the other hand we want the divisions to be as even as possible which can be hard as much can happen between seasons and thus these changes must be taken into consideration. 

You have clearly proven yourself in div2, solid performance in-game and a middle placement in the division.

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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:59:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tapley</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73325</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[This is just a post from some downs kid to build flame.

Yoyo showed they are div2 worthy by finishing respectably in their division, dunno who this beck person is but from his profile hes joins and leaves nub clans and only posts on different recruting posts for Jesta.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:57:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73324</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>so just to prove that you can cope with div2 and get promoted means nothing at all. most div3 teams can do it.</blockquote>

agreed, most div3 teams have their better and worse days where they win vs decent div2 teams as well. Fact is though, most other teams, coming from a "6th place" wouldnt come 6th in the UPPER div again, but maybe drop down or whatever. We proved everyone wrong in that case, and yes, our first 2-3 games didnt show any sign of that. 

<blockquote>rockit != most div 3 teams</blockquote>

agreed as well. "Assrocket!", Thy :D

<blockquote>haters should step off</blockquote>

THEY SEE ME ROLLIN', THEY HATIN'...

<blockquote> while others who actually proved to be better didn't. ;);)</blockquote>

as i said before, they likely didnt *ask* for a promotion back then. We submitted some nice results and so on, while the ones "above" us likely didnt do that then. 

In the end of the day, if you dont get promoted and win a div, or if you DO get promoted and come 6th again... it doesnt matter. They'll still play div2 next season, and i'm confident they'll rock hard.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:54:19 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kitty jones</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73321</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[fjack. you didn't get it. only tried to point out that the top4 of every div three could easily cope in division. at least they wouldn't get steam rolled. dunno why yy2 got promoted because they proved good results, while others who actually proved to be better didn't. ;);)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:53:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xzar</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73320</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[medic lol :&#124;]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:51:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by JimmyBreeze</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73319</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[haters should step off]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:51:27 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Shintaz</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73318</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>

shut up, when i was playing with them we beat idk and even yoyo1. PCW fair enough, but we still beat them regardless. What i'm trying to say is that they can beat all of the div2 teams on their day, no division 3 team can do that.

That team is perfectly capable of playing in division 2.

cya</blockquote>

that yoyo1 game was a mixteam and you were medic ziggy
WE DIDN'T THINK YOUR AIM WAS GOOD ENOUGH AS SCOUT! :DDDD

he knows I love him]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:51:24 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by nvc</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73316</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>results outside etf2l should stay outside etf2l :)</blockquote>

+showing good results against div2 teams in pcw means nothing. div3 and 2 ain't really so different worlds. look at rockt it. they started well in our division 3 the season before and I knew they wouldn't stand much trouble in div2 as well. looks like they are making it into div1 next season.

so just to prove that you can cope with div2 and get promoted means nothing at all. most div3 teams can do it.</blockquote>

shut up, when i was playing with them we beat idk and even yoyo1. PCW fair enough, but we still beat them regardless. What i'm trying to say is that they can beat all of the div2 teams on their day, no division 3 team can do that.

That team is perfectly capable of playing in division 2, even if they are not quite division 1 standard yet.

cya]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:49:52 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fJack</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-2/?recent=73329#post=73313</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>results outside etf2l should stay outside etf2l :)</blockquote>

+showing good results against div2 teams in pcw means nothing. div3 and 2 ain't really so different worlds. look at rockt it. they started well in our division 3 the season before and I knew they wouldn't stand much trouble in div2 as well. looks like they are making it into div1 next season.

so just to prove that you can cope with div2 and get promoted means nothing at all. most div3 teams can do it.</blockquote>
rockit != most div 3 teams]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:49:06 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Nymthae</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>results outside etf2l should stay outside etf2l :)</blockquote>

Not taking other results into consideration is how too many teams would end up in the wrong divisions.

YYT2 actually fit that spot in Div2, and to a certain extent they "swapped" with Special7. S7 experienced a lot of line-up problems and probably wouldn't have sustained that spot well enough, unlike YYT2 who have found their stability a bit more recently. 

If a team can actually play at a certain level, they should. If YYT2 really could sustain Div1, then they should be there, if they improved so rapidly between the seasons.

Honestly, there's no need for looking for flames. You'd probably complain as much if they got put in a division too easy for them.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:48:16 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xzar</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[YYT2 have proved their place in Div2 (fkn beasts in granary :&#124;)
and thus proved my pre-season predictions wrong, all gz to them and maybe they'll go to div1 in season 7 ;)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:47:34 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kitty jones</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>results outside etf2l should stay outside etf2l :)</blockquote>

+showing good results against div2 teams in pcw means nothing. div3 and 2 ain't really so different worlds. look at rockt it. they started well in our division 3 the season before and I knew they wouldn't stand much trouble in div2 as well. looks like they are making it into div1 next season.

so just to prove that you can cope with div2 and get promoted means nothing at all. most div3 teams can do it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:46:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fJack</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4523/page-1/?recent=73329#post=73306</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[if you think yoyo2 didn't deserve to be in div 2, they've proved you wrong. if you think it was witty to posit that they should be promoted again a) you failed and b) you know dick all about etf2l.

and if you really had a serious query you would have pm'd and admin and not made such a pointless thread.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:43:48 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Extremer</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<blockquote>You're funny.</blockquote>
YAY.</blockquote>

YAY]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:39:46 +0200</pubDate>
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