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    	    <title>Reply by xtala</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-3/?recent=65408#post=65408</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>End of the day look at TCL only 1 dutch team (who arnt entirely dutch) to a dutch lan, thats where the problem lays :p, wherever the lan is based you need people from that country to make up i'd say half of the teams to make it large enough.</blockquote>

Considering the amount of Dutch/Flemish teams that's not so strange tbh.
At GoT we have quite a few players who also tend to enjoy just sitting outside, enjoying the sun, more casual. We've also got some players on a holiday and I'm attending a festival myself.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:15:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Exfane</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-3/?recent=65408#post=65349</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i bet 80% of you guys give a way difference awnser to all our questions now then they did with the polls. If you know this lan is coming and you want to attend, you shouldve saved some money.
Most of you were like "ye im gonna save some money for the lan" and then waste it on weed (well thats what i would do, fill in whatever beer/pussy :D)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:27:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Slick</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-3/?recent=65408#post=65319</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[could always have it in russia :p least you are sure to have as much teams as u have now going to TCL :p

Anyhows idk? would have happily gone had it not been for ukesa and yoyotech refusing us the victory! blame yoyo]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:12:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lucifer</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-3/?recent=65408#post=65318</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Maybe this is something to think about for the next TCL, location. From what i've seen its   an amazing location. My team and I will definately make efforts to go to the next LAN.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:11:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GibbZ</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-3/?recent=65408#post=65285</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["Pretty arrogant to whine about location, timing and such"

Who are you refering too? I don't see anyone really whining, but more giving their reasons for not going. It's not arrogant in any form.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:53:44 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by tapley</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-3/?recent=65408#post=65283</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[End of the day look at TCL only 1 dutch team (who arnt entirely dutch) to a dutch lan, thats where the problem lays :p, wherever the lan is based you need people from that country to make up i'd say half of the teams to make it large enough.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:50:30 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by KOVACS</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-3/?recent=65408#post=65265</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Pretty arrogant to whine about location, timing and such now when theres no chance it could be changed. This is pretty much exactly what happened with the TLR lan for CS:S which IIRC was even at the same location, and similar time of year. They got lots of positive feedback early on and assurances that many teams would sign up then it flopped, I think 6 teams ended up turning up to the event and the prizepool was cut due to sponsors dropping out.

Seems like teams/people are just too lazy/anti-social to put in the effort to attend these events unless they think they will win. I've been to holland three times now on a tight budget, under £500 including spending money and accomodation for an entire week and that was staying in Amsterdam, only for the social aspect of meeting up with friends and having a good time. Add in the prospect of a friendly community LAN event and I don't see why this isn't more appealing to people. God damn reclusive gamers, try live a bit occasionally:)

Saying that, I havn't bothered either, although at least I have the excuse that I'm not in a team. Perhaps it is just down to the current economic situation for many people, although I'd say its a motivational issue more than anything. People automatically being pessimistic and thinking of the negatives, the only one of which worth considering is cost.

Glad the people behind TCL have continued to put in the effort and make sure this goes ahead anyway, its admirable and I hope you are not discouraged from doing something similar in the future, although I can see why, at least from a business perspective you would be.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:15:03 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jones</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-2/?recent=65408#post=65262</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[jigsaw - the answer to ur query is weed]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:04:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by uA.Jigsaw</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-2/?recent=65408#post=65260</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>thats kinda sad thinking its in holland. :S</blockquote>

Because TF2 is NOT populair in Holland, especially competitive playing. The only Dutch teams are GoT(with more teams) and WipKip. But they aren't very serious and there are also Flemish players in the teams.

If you organise this in another country you probably get more teams! But thats just my opinion!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:02:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Jones</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-2/?recent=65408#post=65256</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hold on - there is 16 teams going to i37? I thought the only team going was S7?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:54:48 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by skinnie</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-2/?recent=65408#post=65255</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[ah yes an stv is exactly the same :)

I doubt any topteam wants to play u online nvc so nice try]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:50:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by nvc</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-2/?recent=65408#post=65252</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[skinnie said:
<blockquote>
this is a chance for teams to practice with the topteams for 2 days and see how they play and hence learn a lot
</blockquote>

brb irc: 6v6 - now - server on - /q -&#62; can i have stv's please?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:41:22 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GibbZ</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-2/?recent=65408#post=65244</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I dunno it feels like the wrong time of year....

It's too expensive for any student to travel that far... I really want to but I'd rather get a summer job and earn some cash]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:27:30 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by str8outtaCompton</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-2/?recent=65408#post=65228</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Lol so many bad excuses. Just say you don't care enough, it's a lot easier.</blockquote>

That's just the other side of the coin. The events could be more accessible. There's a big difference between a free online event and one that requires plane/hotel/lan ticket booking.

edit: of course i'm not saying there isn't a place for offline events, but don't be surprised if a game as small as this can only get the top teams sponsored into the event...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:26:30 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kaidus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-4205/page-2/?recent=65408#post=65227</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Lol so many bad excuses. Just say you don't care enough, it's a lot easier.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:23:59 +0200</pubDate>
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