ETF2L – Latest activity in “sv_allow_wait_command 0” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/ Reply by FurbOotz https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-6/?recent=58097#post=58097 alias "+dareload" "-reload; +attack" alias "-dareload" "-attack; +reload" alias +stickyfix "+attack" alias -stickyfix "-attack; bind mouse1 +stickyfix2" alias +stickyfix2 "-reload" alias -stickyfix2 "+reload; bind mouse1 +stickyfix" bind q "weapon2b" alias "weapon1a" "slot1; +reload; -attack; bind mouse1 +dareload; bind q weapon2b; bind 3 meleeb1" alias "weapon2b" "slot2; +reload; -attack; bind mouse1 +stickyfix; bind q weapon1a; bind 3 meleeb2" bind 1 weapon1a bind 2 weapon2b alias meleeb1 "slot3; bind q weapon1a" alias meleeb2 "slot3; bind q weapon2b" There are a few "problems": - You cannot fire as fast as if you weren't using this, probably. - If you 2click to shot, and than click again to charge, but happens to click during the weapon "cooldown", your next click will do nothing, so it takes even longer to fast fire.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=58097 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:20:02 +0200 Reply by Sturmis https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-6/?recent=58097#post=56384 I'm talking about a script, not a screenshot bind. Yeah, but it's a pretty useless one.
It mostly punishes those who play honestly, cheaters can just pick any other tool that's available. That's how it is already,
You mean people already have ways to circumvent this? Duh, I just said that?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56384 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:00:58 +0200 Reply by Ino https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-6/?recent=58097#post=56379 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56379 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:53:13 +0200 Reply by fallen seraph https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56366 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56366 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:32:48 +0200 Reply by RaCio https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56362 Disallowing wait command also breaks any script that tries to take a status shot. The console fades in, which means that "status;toggleconsole;jpeg" leaves you with a screenshot where the console isn't yet visible. I also had trouble getting the scoreboard in the shots properly without using waits. Dunno if it’s fixed yet, but this was the case when I used the script last time. And Rake brought a good point: it’s easy to circumvent this with mouse macros etc. It mostly punishes those who play honestly, cheaters can just pick any other tool that’s available. You can rewrite most scripts to work without waits. bind f4 +statusscreen alias +statusscreen "status;toggleconsole" alias -statusscreen "jpeg"]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56362 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:16:41 +0200 Reply by Voff https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56350 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56350 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:55:04 +0200 Reply by EXM https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56345 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56345 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:45:33 +0200 Reply by str8outtaCompton https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56264 compton, seriously it's not hard to press ESC, type jpeg and status :x Never said it's hard. I think it's just stupid to block all these wait scripts to make cheating harder just by a small bit. Cheaters will cheat anyway. Just to draw an analogy, DRM rarely causes any problems. But when it does, honest buyers are punished, while all the "cheaters" (=pirates) have no problem pirating the protected material. Get it?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56264 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:32:22 +0200 Reply by AnAkIn_ https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56260 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56260 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:25:42 +0200 Reply by str8outtaCompton https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56253
Disallowing wait command also breaks any script that tries to take a status shot. The console fades in, which means that "status;toggleconsole;jpeg" leaves you with a screenshot where the console isn't yet visible. I also had trouble getting the scoreboard in the shots properly without using waits. Dunno if it's fixed yet, but this was the case when I used the script last time.
Bind f5 jpeg So hard. I'm talking about a script, not a screenshot bind.
And Rake brought a good point: it's easy to circumvent this with mouse macros etc. It mostly punishes those who play honestly, cheaters can just pick any other tool that's available.
That's how it is already,
You mean people already have ways to circumvent this? Duh, I just said that?
removing waits would make cheating a bit harder.
Agreed, but not hard enough to justify breaking all the scripts. IMO cheaters are getting too much credit (read: attention), causing inconvenience to honest players.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56253 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:19:03 +0200 Reply by xtala https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56239 And I don't think that faster resp change and fast weapon change is part of skill :-) Even if they gives more advantage (but I don't see now how :-) ). It's faster than doing it manually, and in theory it that one second could be the difference between a loss or fending of an attack. Pressing reload has nothing to do with skill on the other hand, afaik you want to keep your weapon as much loaded as possible at all times, so why not use +reload instead of smashing your "r" button?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56239 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:00:14 +0200 Reply by Sturmis https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56170 Disallowing wait command also breaks any script that tries to take a status shot. The console fades in, which means that "status;toggleconsole;jpeg" leaves you with a screenshot where the console isn't yet visible. I also had trouble getting the scoreboard in the shots properly without using waits. Dunno if it's fixed yet, but this was the case when I used the script last time. Bind f5 jpeg So hard.
And Rake brought a good point: it's easy to circumvent this with mouse macros etc. It mostly punishes those who play honestly, cheaters can just pick any other tool that's available.
That's how it is already, removing waits would make cheating a bit harder.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56170 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:34:05 +0200 Reply by SoulFighter https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56169 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56169 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:34:02 +0200 Reply by SoulFighter https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56166 Pressing R isn't exactly my idea of skill. I'm agree that pressing some key isn't idea of skill - just because of that I see nothing bad in fast resp change and fast weapon switch scripts. Idea of skill there - that you should be aware about how many rockets/bullets you have, and when you should reload. If you prefer to press R every 1 sec instead of watching (or counting) your ammo and reload only when you really need it - then ofc it's waste of keypress :-) But I think it's not skill too :-)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56166 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:28:49 +0200 Reply by SoulFighter https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-3587/page-5/?recent=58097#post=56163
So my only "scripts" is a two binds - say "gl & hf" and bind for recording movie. Actually, autoreload script must be forbidden, because it violates thumb rule. You cannot play whole game constantly holding R pressed :-)
By your logic, having those two binds also violate The thumb rule. I mean writing glhf takes 2 seconds and writing console commands for recording movie even longer! My point is: Your arguments are just plain stupid. I'm loled :-) recording movie is not a playing bind at all. it is used only when I replaying demos. and why "say 'gh & hf'" violates thumb rule? you can't do it by hands? may be you have no hands at all? I'm really sorry :-(]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=3587&post=56163 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:20:46 +0200