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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;High Team in open??&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by PJC</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-2/?recent=557921#post=557921</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Yes, it is <em>legal</em>, but that doesn't mean that it's <em>right</em>.


		<blockquote>3.6 The amount of players with higher experience is limited

A team’s active line-up may only consist of a limited amount of higher skilled players that joined after the Provisional Tiers were published. A point system is used to determine this restriction. A player will be given a “point” for each tier of experience higher than the division of the team he joins. For example, a high player joining an open team will count as 2 points. A player counts as “experienced” in the tier if, during the last three seasons, they played 3 or more officials in that tier. For example, for Season 10 experience, we will look at matches from Season 7 onwards.

Each team has a 2 point limit (3 for Highlander). If you reach the point limit you will be punished. Please contact the admins on IRC if you need your case to be reviewed. Admin discretion will be used when dealing with specific cases.</blockquote>

Why don't you guys just apply this rule or something like it to applications for tiers instead of only after the provisional tiers have been published? I'm completely fine with an Open team having a few higher experienced players, but when we see a majority stack of High players it's pretty reasonable to assume that their intentions are not good (easier wins for less effort).

After all, what's the point in even having tiers in the first place if anyone can just go wherever they want for the most part? May aswell just have have 1 tier for everyone at that point. 

If teams want to move up a tier, they should be able to provide evidence that they are capable of playing in that tier (which, according to season announcements, they are); if there is evidence provided that a team is far more than capable of playing in the tier they applied for, why not move them up?

Also, in case anyone tries to take a jab at me for playing in a "sandbag" team in S23, I argued that we should have applied for Mid from the beginning, but my team disagreed (turns out I was right because we contested Mid teams in scrims all the time).]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:16:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by .Rain.</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-2/?recent=557921#post=556572</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Open is hard i've heard]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2016 02:44:02 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by foz</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-2/?recent=557921#post=555918</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from wonszu</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

You didnt make any drama about me and my polish friends playing in mid? Weird Kappa :^)</blockquote>

=)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 11:47:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Wonszu</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555915</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tamir</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
Anime is bad eSports won s19 in div 6 then in s22 or something to back into open from what iv'e heard.</blockquote>

You didnt make any drama about me and my polish friends playing in mid? Weird Kappa :^)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:20:54 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tamir</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555914</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Jan</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

So if prem team would sign up and request open tier they'd get placed in open?</blockquote>
Anime is bad eSports won s19 in div 6 then in s22 or something to back into open from what iv'e heard.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 03:12:44 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by JanSGNm</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555906</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Aoshi</i>
		<blockquote>
They signed up with that roster and got placed in the division that they requested. Not much more to it than that.</blockquote>

So if prem team would sign up and request open tier they'd get placed in open?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 02:11:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by oxytf2</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555896</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[playing where we want not prohibited by law, open is 95% safer than high]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 23:13:32 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sonny Black</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555887</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Good thing you bring this up in week 6, when there's nothing that can be done to change it, because we're not gonna drop them after 5 (6) weeks. Obviously this is an oversight, but at this point in time its an irreversible one.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:25:54 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by StormingSheep</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555886</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[high teams in open 
open teams in prem

Tf2..]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:12:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lolacio</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Tamir</i>
		<blockquote>http://etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-32664/page-1/
I tried as well last season man, I tried. eventually an admin will lock this post, they don't care.</blockquote>
Because your thread turned into a shitfest.

They signed up with that roster and got placed in the division that they requested. Not much more to it than that. Moving a team after x amount of weeks during a season wont happen.
You added a high player to your roster after the season start and thus got a minor warning. This making you come to irc, talk with us and work something out and making us capable to discuss your situation before having to go to harsher punishments.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:31:20 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tamir</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555880</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[http://etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-32664/page-1/
I tried as well last season man, I tried. eventually an admin will lock this post, they don't care.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:25:06 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by popcorp</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555879</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[&#62; offclassing
&#62; 5 wins already
&#62; russians]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:15:08 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fkp</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555878</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[they are offclassing lol]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:55:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by GOLDENSCOUT</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555877</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Maybe they are just trash players]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:48:34 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by TimTum</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-33209/page-1/?recent=557921#post=555874</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[According to the rules you can't have a higher skilled player in your active line-up after the Provisional Tiers were published. In this case that's May 14. You added Blooddrunk to your roster on May 29, which is after the Tiers were published.

The players of the team you are talking about were already on the team way before the Tiers were published. The latest 'higher skilled' player got added on April 4.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:37:42 +0200</pubDate>
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