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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Why this rule exist? Admin disagreements.&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lorave</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-2/?recent=532173#post=532173</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[:(]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:19:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hajdzik</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-2/?recent=532173#post=532171</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I already did, but I still really feel ignored by admins and things being handlen in very wrong way, and current rules gives to much place for improvisation so basically admins can just send people away and just make rules easy for them not fair for teams.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 14:51:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Selektionsfaktor</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-2/?recent=532173#post=532167</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's probably a good idea to get a good night's sleep and/or get some distance from it right now. When things have cooled down emotionally and you still think the issue is worth changing admin/forum rules over, go ahead and propose a change in the feedback section, I suppose.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 14:34:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by doksisthebest</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-2/?recent=532173#post=532149</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[drama]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 10:38:41 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hajdzik</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-2/?recent=532173#post=532145</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from fraac</i>
		<blockquote>Should be a rule about how to deal with disputes during a match. I expect you're meant to play on, and then claim a default win after.</blockquote>

I really like what you wrote only one person understanding an issue. Because if we just keep playing admins would be like "You kept playing so what is wrong". I am not complaining Sonny Black explained it to me if we would agree before readying up on sides. I remember when some prem gullywash game in past there was an disagreement if they should give up the round to enemy or not because it went in half of the round disagreement was solved by admin on the server, discussed with both sides and I said it was my fault to want the disagreement to be solved asap and enemy had every right to unpause during this disagreement.

PS. For Nik, I am not fishing for deafult win, I am trying to point that for me there is really big holes in the rules and I really think admin work in this case was little off.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:19:44 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hajdzik</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-2/?recent=532173#post=532144</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Nik and you could write what about me wanting improve things can be compared to beeps aids thread? I didn't deafult win anyone in my past, I even didn't denied single merc. None of my teams done that in the past and I always encouraged my teams to play the game even if I wasn't a leader. I just see that rules are imperfect and have a lot of loopholes and doesn't work for people who try to be fairplay.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:13:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by iToaster</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-2/?recent=532173#post=532143</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Hajdzik you and b33p should make your own league]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:07:49 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hajdzik</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-2/?recent=532173#post=532133</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I am gonna prepare couple of ideas for improving rules, most of the things that happen tonight because there is too much room to argue, really I would bet if I done anything by rules and enemy would act like this I would have any chance of proving my point anyway. I am gonna discuss it tommorow with some admin if you can give me 1 hour of your life.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 03:01:53 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Henghast</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-1/?recent=532173#post=532130</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I would imagine there a number of things involved. It could affect the ongoing issue, cause bias or otherwise degrade the opportunity for proper considered action to be taken. They may not want the admin team brought into disrepute without being able to properly respond. They may just not want people bashing the admins on the forums for a slight, imagined or real.

As for what I would do, well you play to the rules of the game. If you go into a pause you contact an admin if it is required you do so at the immediate time, you prepare your evidence and present it. If the time period for this extends past that of the pause limit and the other team enforces a play on you must put it aside until such a time as a proper discussion can take place. It may distract you but a cat could walk into your room take a shit on the floor and walk away again. Shit happens and you have to deal with it. Without knowing the cause of the dispute I cannot comment on whether it is reasonable that you are getting worked up about having to stop mid game to speak to the admin but really anything that may have happened can be resolved post match except in rare circumstances which would normally be related to misunderstanding of the rules in place currently.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 02:47:08 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dnscodcs</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-1/?recent=532173#post=532128</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Why are you bringing up your case again? It's completely irrelevant in this argument. 

You're saying that you should be able to share conversations with admins on the forums.

That is not an option for reasons that've been explained to you in both this thread and surely in the conversation with sonny.

Whether you agree with them or not, these are the current posting rules. 
If you want to continue using this forum you'll have to stick to them, period.

In order to propose a new posting rule or change an existing one go to http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/ and convince us that your request is beneficial enough for the league to warrant a realization of it.

Why would it be in our interest to allow people sharing confidential information on the public forums is the question you should be trying to answer.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 02:41:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hajdzik</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-1/?recent=532173#post=532119</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's not about case it's about rules, I have nothing to win, just to help you better deal with situations.

I talked with Sonny Black but he got just annoyed with me, because I kept asking about everything, and basically I don't agree with him in one single thing, maybe I agree on few. Killing my topic was an overkill anyway because it was a minor thing about changing rules, not  about flaming an admin. And when I talked with Sonny Black, if I can get an straight answer from head admin no admin would helped me in this case. I really don't think you're capable of understanding the issue.

The issue is after the game Sonny Black told me we should just continue game, and also when I asked about situation that happend, there was scenario we would have right to enforce the rival to restart, so waiting with it could really put us in difficult situation - loosing game horribly and having replay it. But I really think if we would lost it I would just get an answer that you played whole game should complain earlier. There is no rule saying about when the complaints should be made.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 02:00:41 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dnscodcs</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-1/?recent=532173#post=532115</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Why are you repeating your case again? It's not about your specific case at hand, but admin requests and conversations in general. 
Their contents are confidential information.

If you feel like an admin has dealt with your request in an incorrect manner you can demand an independant second review of it by another admin.

There's no reason to present your case to the public by creating a forum thread.
They can't change the verdict, only we can.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 01:47:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hajdzik</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-1/?recent=532173#post=532112</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Earlier admin could mislead me, if I got a prove that we agreed to play defence before we pressed ready on red, we would have a point and admin I was talking to really didn't relly said that to me, if teams agree on something it should be enforced(other admin words). We made an assumption that enemy wants to attack because they stacked blue and was fine for us. But config changed the sides and we asked about heavy fist fight on setup time instead earlier, so I can take a blame, but we had issues with agreeing on merc so it taked so time so people were rushing.

I think disagreements should have a pause time until they are fixed, you can't really focus on game when you think that you're harmed in situation. And admins said that is our fault we were disputing during the pause not after the game? So we would waste even more time on it. If we were right in that situation and lost the game, after we agreed before the game to start on red, we would need to re do game in another time? There is really a lot of maybes. So I think disagreements should be resolved in another way, during a pause as early as possible.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 01:37:21 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dnscodcs</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-1/?recent=532173#post=532107</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[admins are never wrong Keepo]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 01:32:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hajdzik</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31422/page-1/?recent=532173#post=532105</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[But still why does that rule exist, if there will be a situations where admins are wrong and you can't really prove you're right if you can't share informations from admins.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 01:29:01 +0200</pubDate>
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