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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;ETF2L Entry Fee&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by b33p_</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-3/?recent=526021#post=526021</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If it were pay to play and the current prize pool donators (the usual ones, not this season's donators) kept on it might be all right. I mean €5 per player is too much. Drop that to €5 per team for the prizepool outside prem and you'd be all right, I reckon. Drops might (thought doubt) happen less. We're talking about such small amounts of cash here.

If each team had to pay €5 to enter this season there's €1,500 raised right away. If the usual €1,000 keeps up, that's €1,500 to split between high, mid and open. That's not too bad. That isn't even counting if ETF2L continues taking donations for anyone feeling like €5 for their team to play is too little.

Though incoming bitching about people wanting refunds who disagree with admin decisions...but possibly less bitching about being placed in too low a tier! #silverlinings]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2015 08:47:59 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Raptor00X</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-3/?recent=526021#post=526016</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i like the idea of pay2win :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2015 03:03:54 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hildreth</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-3/?recent=526021#post=526011</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[My main concern aside from the ethics would be the admin time to chase teams "not paid". 

Maybe one day a "pay to play" style tournament could be trialed, but otherwise I can't see this being worth the time for administration, loss of numbers from the league.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2015 01:36:00 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dnscodcs</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-3/?recent=526021#post=526007</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Scissors</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

it's gonna look retarded when only the 2 top seeds are gonna donate and we are gonna have a prizepool of 20 euro</blockquote>

If this were to be implemented ETF2L would still make efforts to gain the support of sponsors to be able to provide a minimum prizepool for certain tiers.

To give you an example: Let's say the prizepool for the high tier happened to be a minimum of 500€.

Teams can choose to pay 10€ per team to be eligible for it,with every payment being added directly to this prizepool.

Teams that don't want to pay can still compete in the high tier with no difference to the teams that did pay,other than the fact that if they happen to place first/second/third they won't be eligible for cash prizes.

10€ per team really isn't that much,split by 6 people that's about the price of 1 mcdouble (for the traders out there that's a little less than a key) that every individual has to pay per season to be able to receive an exponentially higher prize which'll (in this case) AT LEAST be ~300x the money that you payed as "Pay 2 win entry fee".

Naturally with odds this good any keen team should take the challenge and risk a tiny amount of money to win the big pot.

Combine that with donation incentives like we had for this season, potential rewards/perks for teams paying higher entry fees (of cosmetic nature, none of which will give you an unfair advantage over "f2p" teams of course) and the resulting higher prizepool will motivate more teams to be competitive.

Just like perm I'm also against ETF2L becoming a pay to play league like ESEA happens to be.
Not judging the americans or anything,but as far as we're concernced it just doesn't feel right for a community run non-profit free league to suddenly <strong>force</strong> cash and/or item payments onto their userbase just for a few extra bucks in a prizepool that ultimately won't matter because there won't be any teams left to claim it in the end.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2015 01:08:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CHERRY COKE</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=526002</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Phnx</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
you are ignoring most jews that are not willing to spent a penny for the game8)</blockquote>
You've obviously never talked to Jacky :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2015 00:04:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Scissors-HL</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=526001</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Popcorp</i>
		<blockquote>I like Permzilla's "Pay-to-win" suggestion, would be nice to add such thing, it won't harm anyone.</blockquote>

it's gonna look retarded when only the 2 top seeds are gonna donate and we are gonna have a prizepool of 20 euro]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 23:57:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fkp</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=526000</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i can donate every item which will dropped, also, if this season will not okay for me, i'll give all my backpack (there's some expensive items). sorry for my terrible english.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 23:40:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Zafus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=525999</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AB</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

http://etf2l.org/2015/01/20/season-20-powered-by-tt-esports-community-fundraiser-maps/

under item donations</blockquote>

Cheers, I'll drop some metal over once the Steam API has updated.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 23:18:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Festive MacGyver</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=525995</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AB</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

http://etf2l.org/2015/01/20/season-20-powered-by-tt-esports-community-fundraiser-maps/

under item donations</blockquote>

there you go. ! :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 22:47:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Adeel</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=525994</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Zafus</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Where is the subtle donate button?
I would like to donate, but I am guessing you have to go on the IRC, to contact an admin and trade them, or does ETF2L have a trade bot?</blockquote>

http://etf2l.org/2015/01/20/season-20-powered-by-tt-esports-community-fundraiser-maps/

under item donations]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 22:30:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by popcorp</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=525993</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I like Permzilla's "Pay-to-win" suggestion, would be nice to add such thing, it won't harm anyone.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 22:26:40 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Zafus</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=525992</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from haris</i>
		<blockquote>I dont really think Entry fee needs to be applied. I mean, what ETF2L is doing now is completely fine and suitable. Donate if you want, nothing forced. Get some perks in return. I like that.</blockquote>

Where is the subtle donate button?
I would like to donate, but I am guessing you have to go on the IRC, to contact an admin and trade them, or does ETF2L have a trade bot?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 22:22:57 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Festive MacGyver</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=525985</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I dont really think Entry fee needs to be applied. I mean, what ETF2L is doing now is completely fine and suitable. Donate if you want, nothing forced. Get some perks in return. I like that.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:56:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Specter91</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-31020/page-2/?recent=526021#post=525983</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from AB</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

poeple in na who don't want to play esea tend to play ugc. I don't see why it would be any different for some in europe if etf2l had a significant entry fee as well.</blockquote>

do we have any other leagues in europe? do we actually have the choice?

PS ugc is a pisstake might aswell play lobby]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:22:21 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Adeel</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from smziii</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

you say other leagues? in europe?</blockquote>

poeple in na who don't want to play esea tend to play ugc. I don't see why it would be any different for some in europe if etf2l had a significant entry fee as well.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:17:24 +0100</pubDate>
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