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    	    <title>Reply by ashnazg</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30640/page-2/?recent=518959#post=518959</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Fair enough!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:11:00 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Quell</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ash</i>
		<blockquote>
@quell: there are regular recruitment drives, announced in news posts. The 'jobs'  page is around all the time too.</blockquote>
yeah and i'm saying, maybe a dedicated news post might help!


sep 20 - AC admins
aug 2 - 6s admins
jul 23 - coders, league, AC

and while the july 23rd post was a big one maybe have a specific one mentioning the need for extra hands if one-day or small cups are going to be a thing. i'm not going to apply for league admin 6s or hl but maybe i do have the time to smaller cups.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 13:46:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Frix</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30640/page-2/?recent=518959#post=518947</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[How about bringing the ladder system back? I know it wasn't that popular but might be worth taking a shot again]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:33:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashnazg</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30640/page-2/?recent=518959#post=518943</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Alright. What you don't appear to understand: the current staff is 100% volunteers. You appear to have this notion of (paid? ) lazy full time staff and their underlings (who are lazy too). This distinction is not a thing. 
Cups take a serious amount of man hours to be run even half-assedly. I can only speak for me personally, but between rl,  my team and the regular admin duties i simply don't have time nor energy to create anything cup related. 

You then say only influential people can host things. That's simply wrong. Take us etf2l admins for example: before becoming admins, many of us were nobodies themselves. How did they become admins? By applying. So stop trying to push the 'burden' of league administration away from you and do it yourself. Also: the regular league is the bread and butter of etf2l - i am not sure how cups of any nature take priority over that. I am not even going to go into the 'banning people' part... Take a look at etf2l.org/staff 

@quell: there are regular recruitment drives, announced in news posts. The 'jobs'  page is around all the time too.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:09:42 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by diogo_rajadasz</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30640/page-2/?recent=518959#post=518936</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from ducky</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
First off,it's kind of pointless to do cups mid-season.
People are still competing in S19 (don't forget about the various playoffs for the teams placing first in their group), S7 has just started.
That's why the only reasonable option is to host cups during the off-season,when nobody is competing elsewhere (ignoring participation in other leagues ofc).
Secondly,as already mentioned, it really is a <strong>lot</strong> of effort.
There's no magic button that initiates a cup. Everything has to be done manually.
Writing several newsposts,constructing a custom ruleset for that specific cup, creating and editing the competition to suit our purposes,pooling and assigning teams to similarly skilled groups,generating fixtures for every group (and later those groups' finals),overseeing the cup (which includes but is not limited to support on IRC,providing servers for matches,handling match conflicts ASAP,defaulting/nullifying/coinflipping unplayed and/or unsubmitted matches etc.) and distributing prizes afterwards are amongst the things that we have to do.
It requires a lot of planning and communication within the staff.
Who's doing what? Are enough admins available and willing to help during the cup?
Generally the longer a cup goes the more effort it takes,which is why TAAHD-cups are more common than longer projects.
The reason why it appears as though ETF2L didn't host "mini-events" in a long time is such a long project: The HLO. One of the,if not the, longest cup in ETF2L history.
It left no room for other events during the off-season,outside of the logjam cup that we managed to squeeze in before S19 hit the deck.
Not to mention that any attempts at getting feedback from the community for ideas on how to host a cup are vastly ignored.
Just look at this for example: http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-28794/
~150 votes on an official poll in a league where we have around 3000 active users really begs the question: Do people even care?
The funny thing is that if it wasn't for medical/availability problems on the part of our staff we would've still hosted that cup</blockquote>

its not that pointless to do mid season cups, it actually can boost people to be more interested in competitive! a large amount of teams in etf2l lose because they don't train with their teams or get default wins because they lose interest since they are being raped or getting ties all the time. doing cups can improve the confidence most people don't have to try and talk to stronger players they played against and ask for advices. that happened to me, i was getting raped in a bball cup hosted by etf2l and i asked Kalho for advices on bball, late ri started mge with him and stronger players in the portuguese community.

i understand it requires a lot of effort but thats the burden of being and admin in a league. admin is not banning cheaters and arrange the seasons, and if the "excuse" (don't get flamed because im not accusing anybody) is "it requires a lot of effort" you should consider getting a temporary staff willing to work for you.

if people don't care, make them care, give them a reason to play this game instead of the general season and one night cups with new maps

@san alex - sunshine was a trial cup for the people get used to the map and prem get new strategies for the map teamfortresstv casters said themselfs... stop acting like a 12 year old just because its me try to solve the problem like the rest of the guys in this post are trying to do (i guess?)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 02:25:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by san alex</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30640/page-2/?recent=518959#post=518935</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Fisherman Mamadu</i>
		<blockquote>[...]&#160; well im not an admin or an influent person in EU community so i can't do one tournament. i needed to apply for admin in etf2l or talk to kaneco to host one for comp.tf but he is too&#160; busy with collegue</blockquote>

You can organize and announce it here: http://etf2l.org/forum/community/

I believe Non admins/influent people can post in there too.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 02:23:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by diogo_rajadasz</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Hildreth</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
Don't see you volunteering to run one, youngling.</blockquote>&#160; well im not an admin or an influent person in EU community so i can't do one tournament. i needed to apply for admin in etf2l or talk to kaneco to host one for comp.tf but he is too&#160; busy with collegue]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 02:15:25 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hildreth</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Fisherman Mamadu</i>
		<blockquote>i know its hard by experience, but still they don't need to do all the work by themselves i guess. they can build a higher hierarchy and put the "younger admins" to work for them.

and they don't need to do one night cups, they can take one week or two</blockquote>

Don't see you volunteering to run one, youngling.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 02:05:19 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Metal Gear</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from san alex</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Because olurist genuinely believed that only the powerful earned medals.</blockquote>

I don't really think you can take anything Olurist said seriously.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 01:04:12 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by san alex</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Meeto</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Yeah, I get that, but why does that make him the new olurist?</blockquote>

Because olurist genuinely believed that only the powerful earned medals.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:43:06 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CHERRY COKE</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from quell</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

please make an announcement sometime along the lines of


"Hey, do you love the MGE cups and one day cups we sometimes host? Well so do we, sadly we don't have the manpower to organize them anymore so we're looking for healthy volunteers that don't mind helping out!

Don't worry, we will explain to you everything as to how organizing and running a cup works. We need you to make this happen?

please send applications to xxxx"


cause these "well duh just send admin request and maybe somehow we can do a cup 20 years from now" arent havign the desired effect



@ducky obviouslty participation in polls in topics within subforums on a part of the site that most people use arent going to attract a big crowd. people do want to play cups though!</blockquote>
I don't do that stuff neither newsposts nor recruitment, I was just giving him the address. Though I see recruotment newsposts sometimes :P]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:34:06 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Metal Gear</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from san alex</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I was pointing the fact that he believes that the one night cups are only for admins and Prem Players to test stuff. That is not true at all if you look at the past cups. Take "Blast from the Past - One Night Cup" as an example.</blockquote>

Yeah, I get that, but why does that make him the new olurist?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:16:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by san alex</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Meeto</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Eh? What about that sentence doesn't make sense?</blockquote>

I was pointing the fact that he believes that the one night cups are only for admins and Prem Players to test stuff. That is not true at all if you look at the past cups. Take "Blast from the Past - One Night Cup" as an example.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 23:59:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Metal Gear</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from san alex</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

I think we have an olurist v2 here. ^^

"This cups have only very good team."</blockquote>

Eh? What about that sentence doesn't make sense?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 23:47:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Quell</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CHERRY</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
Send an email to staff@etf2l.org with the following information:

Name
ETF2L profile link
Country of residence
Age
Previous experience (optional)
Special skills or contacts that may help the league (optional)
Tasks you would like to perform as a League Admin
Available free time: how often would you be able to design and run cups? What other commitments may affect your availability?</blockquote>

please make an announcement sometime along the lines of


"Hey, do you love the MGE cups and one day cups we sometimes host? Well so do we, sadly we don't have the manpower to organize them anymore so we're looking for healthy volunteers that don't mind helping out!

Don't worry, we will explain to you everything as to how organizing and running a cup works. We need you to make this happen?

please send applications to xxxx"


cause these "well duh just send admin request and maybe somehow we can do a cup 20 years from now" arent havign the desired effect



@ducky obviouslty participation in polls in topics within subforums on a part of the site that most people use arent going to attract a big crowd. people do want to play cups though!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:53:32 +0100</pubDate>
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