ETF2L – Latest activity in “CUP IDEA: An open whitelist, team chosen maps and no classlimits cup.” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/ Reply by ashnazg https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-3/?recent=520986#post=520986 Quoted from Mundi
whats the point then if noone is going to use them?
Our goal should always be to be as close to public play as possible without deviating too far from how the respective gamemode works. Allowing useless unlocks is one of the many facets of this.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=520986 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:27:55 +0100 Reply by Arthur https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-3/?recent=520986#post=520984 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=520984 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:09:08 +0100 Reply by MastaLogii https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-3/?recent=520986#post=520981 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=520981 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:40:34 +0100 Reply by Arthur https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-3/?recent=520986#post=520979 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=520979 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:11:18 +0100 Reply by Morgus https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-3/?recent=520986#post=518690 Quoted from emb
[...] Feedback like this certainly doesn't exactly encourage them to do anything.
It should encourage them, because the one group of people that actually wants to learn how the game works and play according to those rules are mad at them.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=518690 Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:59:32 +0100 Reply by emb https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-3/?recent=520986#post=518689 Quoted from screwb
[...] The feedback was that Valve fucked the game on the competitive level and that if they ever want the TF2 comp community to use the unlocks then they need to fix the ungodly amount of useless and OP shit they added to the game. It is not us that needs to change. It is Valve.
Feedback like this certainly doesn't exactly encourage them to do anything.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=518689 Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:42:12 +0100 Reply by We Will Hold https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-3/?recent=520986#post=518681 Quoted from Gentleman Jon
[...] The feedback for pick/ban apparently wasn't good.
The feedback was that Valve fucked the game on the competitive level and that if they ever want the TF2 comp community to use the unlocks then they need to fix the ungodly amount of useless and OP shit they added to the game. It is not us that needs to change. It is Valve.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=518681 Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:04:58 +0100 Reply by Gentleman Jon https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-3/?recent=520986#post=514792 Quoted from Forsak3n
why isnt there 9v9 matchmaking then?
The feedback for pick/ban apparently wasn't good.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=514792 Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:18:45 +0200 Reply by dnscodcs https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-2/?recent=520986#post=514787 Quoted from Forsak3n
why isnt there 9v9 matchmaking then?
there were some rumours around a year ago that valve was going to implement a HL matchmaking system into the game well...as you can see it's just rumours after all they certainly have the means to do it (just look at MVM,that stuff has some sort of matchmaking) but my guess is that ,to them, it's just not worth it. it would require additional effort balancing the game (e.g. what most leagues do by having a whitelist and certain server-configs),maintaining the service,marketing TF2 as a comp alternative etc. pp. and for what profit exactly? even if making money didn't play a role in this (and trust me it does) TF2,by default, just isn't designed to be a competitive game. just look at it: people running around with silly hats and goofy accessories playing funny characters with ridiculous weapons...it's made for a casual audience,meant to be played on pubs. the only built-in part of the game that comes close to being a comp mode is "arena" and let's be honest, nobody f*cking plays that sh*t. of course you can have an equal amount ,or even more, fun playing it in a comp setting but that's up to everyone individually. maybe if you look at 6v6/HL as a "comp-mod" to the default game it will become more clear why valve doesn't bother with it at all. it would be like adding matchmaking for surf,prop-hunt or randomizer]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=514787 Sat, 11 Oct 2014 11:00:45 +0200 Reply by gilad1280 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-2/?recent=520986#post=514786 Quoted from Forsak3n
why isnt there 9v9 matchmaking then?
]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=514786 Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:47:08 +0200 Reply by y4eHuK https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-2/?recent=520986#post=514785 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=514785 Sat, 11 Oct 2014 05:43:24 +0200 Reply by We Will Hold https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-2/?recent=520986#post=514782 Quoted from Selek
I would like to add that TF2 was designed for 12v12 play. When you reduce the player count to 6v6, the gameplay will inevitably change.
The game's core was built and balanced around 8v8 (please refer to the TF2 beta). The game is not balanced in 12v12. The only reasons pubs are not a even bigger stalemate shit fest then they already are is because more than 1/2 the team is useless cannon fodder. Kind of defeats the purpose of having 12 people if 8 of them are standing around doing nothing.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=514782 Sat, 11 Oct 2014 00:36:11 +0200 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-2/?recent=520986#post=514779 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=514779 Sat, 11 Oct 2014 00:07:27 +0200 Reply by san alex https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-2/?recent=520986#post=514753 Quoted from fraac
If someone doesn't understand how beautiful you are, you don't change yourself to please them. Nobody at Valve currently likes 6v6 and that's fine.
What? Deep Shit]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=514753 Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:55:14 +0200 Reply by CondoM https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-30441/page-2/?recent=520986#post=514747 Quoted from Sonny Black
LOTS OF TEXT
This is as true as it gets Stop saying that we're the problem, that we're too different from pubs and we need to adapt to ease the skill curve. What viable game doesn't have this skill curve? Valve should have adopted 6v6 as their own gamemode, with the classlimits and weapon bans as we know them instead of alienating it. That way newcomers would be instantly introduced into the competitive side of the game and go through the same process as everyone else goes through with dota/cs/whatever, get good. To be fair though, running tf2 like they are now is most likely equally or much more beneficial to them, and at the time "esports" wasn't really a good market to start investing in, which is all completely understandable.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=league&topic=30441&post=514747 Fri, 10 Oct 2014 03:58:24 +0200