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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;pcw results of the day + elo&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by fraac</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-25/?recent=545550#post=545550</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Fixed missing viaduct games under 20 minutes (because it's 'product' now), but I still think there are games being missed. Check here: http://eu.elo.tf/today.html (stray text is harmless, just bad at html tables.)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 05:16:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mervin</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-25/?recent=545550#post=544834</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Fine, I'll just upload them, take screenshots and save them for myself for ever and ever and ever and ever.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:36:02 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Metal Gear</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-25/?recent=545550#post=544820</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kKaltUu</i>
		<blockquote>HL has matches in stopwatch (gravelpit,  payload). 

You attack, then defend. Then you defend and attack. If you only won one of those you go to a third round. All three matches generate a log (because of maxrounds 2) even though it's for the same map. Hence combining logs for the total map.</blockquote>

With HL I can understand why, but there is literally no point in combining logs for 6s.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2015 17:46:37 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fraac</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-25/?recent=545550#post=544818</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from unu</i>
		<blockquote>This let's you see who played the best over multiple maps or 1 map + GC etc.

Please explain why it's stupid.

ᴵ ᶫᵒᵛᵉ ᶫᵒᵍˢ, ᵈᵒᶰ'ᵗ ᵗᵒᵘᶜʰ ᵐʸ ᶫᵒᵍˢ ᵖᶫˢ</blockquote>

If you know the teams' strategies you can get good information from a map log about specific failures and successes of their strats. In a combined log I don't even know where you would look. Player with best aim gets most frags... okay.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2015 14:13:53 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kKaltUu</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-25/?recent=545550#post=544817</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[HL has matches in stopwatch (gravelpit,  payload). 

You attack, then defend. Then you defend and attack. If you only won one of those you go to a third round. All three matches generate a log (because of maxrounds 2) even though it's for the same map. Hence combining logs for the total map.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2015 14:09:34 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by ashnazg</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-25/?recent=545550#post=544816</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Wasn't it first a thing in HL where you had complete map restarts in between rounds, sometimes?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:10:11 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Metal Gear</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=544812</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Why did combined logs become a thing anyway? They're completely pointless, especially when you already have the logs of both games posted and available to view anyway.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2015 01:13:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sideshow</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=544795</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[1 map and a GC I can get.

2 maps, or a bo3 etc is totally disingenuous though. You don't play the same on maps, you can't break it down. If anything you should want logs MORE broken down round by round, not all bunched up. If you had logs of the entire night would it literally tell you anything at all? Of course not, different opponents and different maps mean your team and you yourself play differently.

There is nothing useful to glean from a combined log, all it does it hide the detail.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:46:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mervin</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=544793</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from cmd</i>
		<blockquote> which I don't even understand why you people insist on doing it as its so fucking stupid and useless to the viewer.</blockquote>

That's the dumbest thing I've heard, why is it useless? It's like saying all logs are useless.

This let's you see who played the best over multiple maps or 1 map + GC etc.

Please explain why it's stupid.

ᴵ ᶫᵒᵛᵉ ᶫᵒᵍˢ, ᵈᵒᶰ'ᵗ ᵗᵒᵘᶜʰ ᵐʸ ᶫᵒᵍˢ ᵖᶫˢ]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:32:19 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CondoM</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=544788</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from unu</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

There's nothing artificial about it. There were two pauses on Snake that took an extra 15 minutes, which is why the Da/m and Dt/m are messed up. The only thing I did was combining the two logs into one. If there hadn't been any pauses the Da/m and Dt/m would still be right.

Original logs: 

Snakewater: http://logs.tf/1046915
Badlands: http://logs.tf/1046964

Compare to my combined logs of the night before when there wasn't any pauses:
http://logs.tf/1046606

Surely there is a way to disable counting pause time in the logs?</blockquote>
DP/M and DT/M don't affect elo(I presume), that's not what he's talking about as artificial logs. He's talking about artificial logs whereas two maps are combined into one log, which I don't even understand why you people insist on doing it as its so fucking stupid and useless to the viewer.

EDIT: I see that we also have a counted loss vs dogs yesterday due to these stupid ass combined logs aswell http://logs.tf/1046984]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:12:04 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mervin</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=544780</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from fraac</i>
		<blockquote>eu.elo.tf is back on. Might be buggy, check daily logs at eu.elo.tf/today.html

Epsi got 100 free points. The system is merciless and rigged against you.

Don't like the trend for artificial logs <a href="http://logs.tf/1047024">like this</a> which surely only destroy information from the original logs, and if they're &#60;40 mins and look viable then I can&#039;t stop them affecting the Elo.</blockquote>

There's nothing artificial about it. There were two pauses on Snake that took an extra 15 minutes, which is why the Da/m and Dt/m are messed up. The only thing I did was combining the two logs into one. If there hadn't been any pauses the Da/m and Dt/m would still be right.

Original logs: 

Snakewater: http://logs.tf/1046915
Badlands: http://logs.tf/1046964

Compare to my combined logs of the night before when there wasn't any pauses:
http://logs.tf/1046606

Surely there is a way to disable counting pause time in the logs?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:14:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DamnEasy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=544778</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Wtf 8:0 and top damage is 200da/m thats pretty pathetic lol :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:23:33 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by fraac</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=544772</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[eu.elo.tf is back on. Might be buggy, check daily logs at eu.elo.tf/today.html

Epsi got 100 free points. The system is merciless and rigged against you.

Don't like the trend for artificial logs <a href="http://logs.tf/1047024">like this</a> which surely only destroy information from the original logs, and if they're &#60;40 mins and look viable then I can&#039;t stop them affecting the Elo.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 05:38:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Daniel Sandmark</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=539487</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[rip]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2015 02:13:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by popcorp</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28688/page-24/?recent=545550#post=537894</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Update pls?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 01:52:06 +0200</pubDate>
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