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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;ETF2L - UGC Division Comparison&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sprayer40</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28469/page-2/?recent=492243#post=492243</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[People even remember when we were back in steel.

We made a significant mark in history of UGC.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 18:40:33 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by popcorp</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28469/page-2/?recent=492243#post=492231</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I remember my team beating Chessclub too, fucking Croissant, took 28 mins to cap Last. Memories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ4Zo0r_EFA =')

What i like in UGC is that there are Playoffs for each division, while in ETF2L there are only playoffs in Prem and playoffs for Division promotion in Lower divs (if both teams scored same amount of points)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 18:11:42 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Scissors-HL</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28469/page-2/?recent=492243#post=492216</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from 4hp</i>
		<blockquote>
my very first highlander game was against Chessclub back when they were steel. Not quite the same thing but damn that wasn't fun</blockquote>

You won as far as I remember :&#60;]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:06:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Anoobis</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28469/page-1/?recent=492243#post=492215</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Bulow</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

There's nothing wrong with that.  We played Prem teams in our first season of UGC, got completely shit on, and carried on anyway.  I can't imagine there being a team in the top few divisions of ETF2L that hasn't been completely outclassed at some point - it's a good learning experience.  You can't win every game, but you can learn from them.</blockquote>

Exactly, people should stop worrying so much about getting dunked. If you want to get better you need to experience that, even if it is frustrating.

The thing is nowadays people don't really give a rats ass about UGC anymore because it got redundant to play, what's the point of having platinum if 75% of the teams in that division are not even plat?

The old seeding system worked because there were no divs to begin with and they only just got made up at the playoffs with the 16 best teams according to score in plat and so on....]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:03:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bulow</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28469/page-1/?recent=492243#post=492206</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from 4hp</i>
		<blockquote>Then we'd have new teams possibly playing against prem teams... I remember that my very first highlander game was against Chessclub back when they were steel. Not quite the same thing but damn that wasn't fun</blockquote>

There's nothing wrong with that.  We played Prem teams in our first season of UGC, got completely shit on, and carried on anyway.  I can't imagine there being a team in the top few divisions of ETF2L that hasn't been completely outclassed at some point - it's a good learning experience.  You can't win every game, but you can learn from them.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 14:45:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by 13thDoctor</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Then we'd have new teams possibly playing against prem teams... I remember that my very first highlander game was against Chessclub back when they were steel. Not quite the same thing but damn that wasn't fun]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 14:13:01 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Anoobis</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28469/page-1/?recent=492243#post=492176</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I miss UGC season 6 seeding. It was so good. You had every team ever in one div, and when playoffs hit the shelf you were separated into divs according to your seeding, so you had 16 actually good teams in plat, then silver, steel, iron.

Made me want to put in some more extra effort to get into the div I wanted.

Platinum nowadays has a large skillgap anyway so it literally wouldn't make a difference.

Although one could debate it'd be a faceroll for new teams.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 23:10:49 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by PoisonedPython</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Carlos Kaiser</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
I remember a showmatch between a mid silver NA team and mid div 3 ETF2L team, the game was close, but Euros won that one while having a ping disadvantage.
</blockquote>

We rolled them pretty hard, not gonna lie]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 21:48:28 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by IceRedFox</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28469/page-1/?recent=492243#post=492167</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[EU Platinum = Prem-Div6
EU below platinum = pub]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 21:33:32 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hidi</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from SabaSaba</i>
		<blockquote>6vs6 or HL?</blockquote>

I was thinking either, but I'm much more active in UGC HL, so I'm more familiar with those skillsets.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 20:19:41 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xacher</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from quintosh</i>
		<blockquote>na silver is like div4...</blockquote>
I remember a showmatch between a mid silver NA team and mid div 3 ETF2L team, the game was close, but Euros won that one while having a ping disadvantage.

But then again my calculation is flawed, since NA has nearly 2 times as much teams, so the 7th team in NA would transfer to the 4th team in EU in my calculations.
It really depends if NA having more teams means more talent or more whipping boys.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 20:09:26 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by quintosh</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[na silver is like div4...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 20:01:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Xacher</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28469/page-1/?recent=492243#post=492160</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[EU Plat = Prem-Div2
EU Gold = Div2-Div4
EU Silver = Div4-Div5
EU Steel = Div4-Div6
EU Iron = Div6

But NA Plat is much stronger than EU Plat, since most of the higher level teams in Europe don't play UGC. Well then, now for comparing ETF2L and NA UGC we can hypothetically assume that EU and NA are equal in terms of skill, so we have the following percentage of teams in each division:
NA Plat = 4% of teams in NA UGC, NA Gold = 9%, NA Silver = 24%, NA Steel = 38%, NA Iron = 25%
EU Prem = 7% of teams in ETF2L, EU d1 = 7%, EU d2 = 7%, EU d3 = 7%, EU d4 = 20%, EU d5 = 20%, EU d6 = 33%

So we would have:
NA Plat = Prem
NA Gold = Prem - Div 1
NA Silver = Div 2 - Div 4
NA Steel = Div 4 - Div 6
NA Iron = Div 6

Again, that's assuming the Best NA team = Best EU team, Worst NA team = Worst EU team and Median NA team = Median EU team, and pings don't put you at a disadvantage as well. Also keep in mind Americans have more teams than Europeans, which is a huge factor as well.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:53:01 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Oxy</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Plat - Prem to Div 2 (though mostly at the lower end of that, only 3 prem teams for example)
Gold - Div 3
Silver - Div 4
Steel - Div 5/6
Iron - Very low Div 6]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:48:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Hidi</i>
		<blockquote>Subsets per every eight teams in a divisions.</blockquote>

Those are meaningless and random. The only reason they exist is so the seasons last 6 weeks instead of 400.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:45:23 +0200</pubDate>
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