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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Is it inappropriate?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by jakeowaty</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-4/?recent=490940#post=490940</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i guess, i was probably drunk/high/on drugs.


Don't do drugs, kids.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2014 03:22:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hallow</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-4/?recent=490940#post=490645</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[maturity isn't the word your looking for jake. i agree there is a certain level of professionalism but that's about it.

rofl old thread ducky is retarded nvm i don't even know]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2014 11:04:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-4/?recent=490940#post=490642</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from damneasy</i>
		<blockquote>Stop talking about </blockquote>

noone's been talking here for 9 days boy]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:34:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by DamnEasy</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-4/?recent=490940#post=490638</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Stop talking about the mature level of cs go community, have you ever watch a pro player for atleast 10 min??]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:15:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by nijoonen</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-4/?recent=490940#post=489739</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kaneco</i>
		<blockquote>Use the tf2 environmental death kill icon

It seems the more appropriate option.</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:23:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-3/?recent=490940#post=489735</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I don't need to prove you wrong popcorp, Spike already did.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:05:36 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-3/?recent=490940#post=489730</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kaneco</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Sorry but what does dev support or the competitive format of a game have to do with the maturity of its community?</blockquote>

A lot, I would say. Particularly at the higher levels of play, where people would be a lot more serious when it involves large cash prizes and lots of attention from potential orgs and sponsors.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:24:35 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by jakeowaty</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-3/?recent=490940#post=489728</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Kaneco</i>
		<blockquote>[...]</blockquote>

How many times do I have to repeat, that I mean the competetive community, AS IN casters, sponsors, teams, and devs themselves.

Here we are a community of casters, teams and players for the most part, but since we have so many teams competing on different levels in a different age range, it's hard to get the mature level of the CS comp scene. Playing casually is a different thing from playing competetive in any game.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:23:05 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Kaneco</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-3/?recent=490940#post=489723</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from jakeowaty</i>
		<blockquote>That is what I said: we aren't as mature as the any other professional, supported competetive community... Simply because we aren't as supported.

And that's because TF2 was meant to be a casual game from the start, whereas Dota(rds), CS or any other given game were designed for competetive format.</blockquote>

Sorry but what does dev support or the competitive format of a game have to do with the maturity of its community?

CS community is and has always been a cesspool of kids and people with bad attitude while the tf2 community is in general one of the most mature and friendly I have come across.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:45:15 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by popcorp</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from konr</i>
		<blockquote>popcorp ur dumb
yes it's inappropriate and doesn't make sense and therefore isn't even funny</blockquote>

ok, prove me wrong nub

du är skit konr]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:37:12 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-3/?recent=490940#post=489718</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[popcorp ur dumb
yes it's inappropriate and doesn't make sense and therefore isn't even funny]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:36:20 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by jakeowaty</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-3/?recent=490940#post=489714</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>In my personal opinion, losing a season in a year is a far bigger deal than what happened now, so I think my HL colleagues did a pretty good job choosing for the lesser evil.</blockquote>

I agree with Spike on this one.

You can also choose. There is a sway of attention from UGC to ETF2L in EU community, with Wireplay in the same time simply make a choice, what you want to focus on, and play with a fun team in one or two of these leagues or don't play at all. I like being given a few options to choose from.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:14:18 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by dodgydogman</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>
The community want more seasons per year and also want more time inbetween seasons. You have to choose - you can't have both.
</blockquote>

Why not make each season consist of 1 orange or mariocart map, this way there can be double the seasons with plenty of space inbetween.. This is why tf2 is dying, league admins refusing to adapt. 

Tf2 is mainly played in public matches, so why not emulate this in a competitive format. We need 16 vs 16 pyro only matches on idle or trade maps to draw the casual demographic. I find it highly racist that you refuse these simple requests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6GaPkkGZGw]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:14:07 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by PhaNtom666</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-3/?recent=490940#post=489711</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Yes it is inappropriate.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:08:49 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-28294/page-3/?recent=490940#post=489710</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Popcorp</i>
		<blockquote>like choosing what maps we should play in 6s and HL</blockquote>

http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/


		<blockquote>easy way is to make a Poll, make MAYBE a restriction to Div 3+ only players who can vote, because from what i heard, only prem players can decide what we play, not the community...</blockquote>

It is true - players with a decent understanding of the game are vastly outnumbered, but they aren't necessarily all above div3. This is why polls don't work. As pointed out above, anyone is welcome to create a thread in the feedback forums, or post in one if it already exists.


		<blockquote>bad time to start HL season for example, nobody listened that we didnt want to play HL that early, which resulted in less teams signing up for HL)</blockquote>

The community want more seasons per year and also want more time inbetween seasons. You have to choose - you can't have both.

In my personal opinion, losing a season in a year is a far bigger deal than what happened now, so I think my HL colleagues did a pretty good job choosing for the lesser evil.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:06:39 +0100</pubDate>
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