[...] While I personally disagree with "muh democracy" polls, they are still nonetheless a very good indicator of what current opinions in etf2l are. I have my doubts on the competence of the admins who made these decisions. Like I said before: Some of these new permitted unlocks are gimmicky, barely game changing at all and it raises the question of "why allow X but not Y?". Why allow the FaN but not the Liberty Launcher? Why allow the diamondback but not the cloak and dagger? Is this a slow transition with the intent to Americanize etf2l's rules? If that's the case can you just tell us because as it is right now the whitelist makes absolutely no sense. At the very least, I'd appreciate some clarification on that aspect. Now I have not tried coalplant yet but with these claims that middle dramatically drops fps, what action do you intend on taking? Are you going to stubbornly push for the map to stay even if more people begin reporting the same issue? The removal of metalworks upsets me mainly not because I loved the map, but because you've decided to keep granary and viaduct. KOTH, while refreshing and perhaps needed in 6s, does not automatically make a map good and viaduct is not one of those maps. Having to sit in spawn building uber/kritz every time you lose a push while the rest of the team suicides in hopes for a pick is not fun or exciting. Granary I must criticize due to the fact that it is only appears to remain around for the sake of keeping ye ol' mandatory oldskool map... but badlands already fills that position and does it perfectly. Why the fear to replace granary even if not for just one season?

[...] 1. If you suck and shoot behind heavy... ye but why would u do that lol 2. They never get close cuz cannon just knocks them back 3. No, its really hard to jump with, takes waaaay too much health and its just not fast.

[...] Loose cannon CAN fuck you and your team up, if enemies are using a Heavy and they use Uber, then you use Loose cannon to push him back, there's a slight chance they a cannon will explode behind him and Heavy will just fly forward onto you. + It's not very reliable at close range, sometimes Cannon just flies back onto you when it hits an enemy, resulting in you getting hit by your own cannon. Loose cannon jumping is also viable, it's very nice to use it when you have no time to put sticky and sticky jump, you sacrifice more health loss with Loose cannon jump than with Sticky launcher, but you do it very fast unlike SL, so yeah overall it's Viable

I changed my mind about loose cannon, i used it in gullywash and it absolutly destroyed everyone lol, you dont even have to aim, its like you have a second sticky launcher :D

[...] you're proving your point with one div4 log right coming from someone who has played the game for a long time, granary is really stalematey (although not as much as it used to be)

[...] What did I just read.... Isn't the point of weapons to reward skill, isn't that the very base purpose of a balanced weapon, because aim is very much skill, and you can only pull those ambassador shots with good aim. I would easily argue that a weapon that rewards a class for doing something that was already the whole purpose of the class (which is 1-hit kills) is much more broken and a crutch weapon than one which rewards pure aim. Your logic made 0 sense to me

[...] The povs I've been watching involve several uber-less pushes through the truck side, which has proven to work better than I expected, really. It keeps the fighting going virtually all the time and opens a lot of room for backcaps. I think such tactics are more viable on metalworks than on any other map.