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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;[Suggestion] Rethinking Golden Cap&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-27790/page-3/?recent=481422#post=481422</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from MEGAMIDDIE</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Tf2 is never going to get popular anyway, it's taken less seriously than cod</blockquote>

That's not a reason or an excuse not to <em>try</em>.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:59:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mould</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Scissors</i>
		<blockquote>

2: fuck people watching casts, right? We don't want exciting games, they are just so troublesome, tf2 will surely get more popular this way</blockquote>

Tf2 is never going to get popular anyway, it's taken less seriously than cod]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 01:46:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Scissors-HL</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from konr</i>
		<blockquote>[...]Please enlighten me as to how golden caps are so great. Oh knowledgeable savior of TF2. Seriously though golden caps and the point distribution is fucking stupid.</blockquote>

"But it’s more trouble than it’s fucking worth imo"

1: you make it sound like playing tf2 is some kind of chore, nobody is asking you to do it, go be productive if it's so tough (e-begging doesn't count)

2: fuck people watching casts, right? We don't want exciting games, they are just so troublesome, tf2 will surely get more popular this way]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:49:43 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Scissors</i>
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So many things wrong with that comment</blockquote>Please enlighten me as to how golden caps are so great. Oh knowledgeable savior of TF2. Seriously though golden caps and the point distribution is fucking stupid.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:33:46 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ond kaja</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Not sure if that matters a whole lot tbh; playing different opponents on different maps weighs much heavier in terms of score 'randomness' (ie you can lose a map to a "weaker" team just because they are better on that particular map). The only way to straighten that out is to play every opponent on every map, but for obvious reasons that's not entirely feasible..

Just as a minor sidenote/poll; what if a match score was based on the amount of round wins? ie a 3-1 win gets you more points than a 3-2 win.
I know this has been discussed before and wasn't favoured much at all, but I just wanted to roll the ball and see where it goes :)</blockquote>

It could potentially bring out very stalematey matches if teams are more interested in not dropping points than winning points.

EDIT: could work on koth though]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:15:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Admirable</i>
		<blockquote>Even within the spectrum of 5CP maps can you say that 1 round on Badlands is equal to 1 round on Granary?</blockquote>

Not sure if that matters a whole lot tbh; playing different opponents on different maps weighs much heavier in terms of score 'randomness' (ie you can lose a map to a "weaker" team just because they are better on that particular map). The only way to straighten that out is to play every opponent on every map, but for obvious reasons that's not entirely feasible..

Just as a minor sidenote/poll; what if a match score was based on the amount of round wins? ie a 3-1 win gets you more points than a 3-2 win.
I know this has been discussed before and wasn't favoured much at all, but I just wanted to roll the ball and see where it goes :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:33:32 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Toba</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Admirable</i>
		<blockquote>
tl;dr No draws because maps are not equal. A map win should be the only way to earn points in ETF2L.</blockquote>

^ +]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:18:23 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Admirable</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Draws were removed because not all maps offered an equal distribution of results. At the time Gravelpit was notorious for upsets, someone ran the stats and proved that draws were much more likely on Gravelpit.

5CP, A/D and CTF all featured in the map pool at the time and the fixtures you draw for the season are random, so in order to make the system fairer map draws were removed. You either won or you lost; this was what people wanted at the time, but the admins added the caveat of golden cap scoring - I guess to soften the blow of no more draws or to ease the transition?

I agree with the OP and have raised the issue every season I was part of the ETF2L team.

In relation to some of the other comments, I don't think you can reasonably distribute points based on round difference for the same reason points for draws were originally removed - not all maps are equal!

Max win difference of 5 on 5CP, max win difference of 3 on KOTH, max win difference of 2 on A/D. Even within the spectrum of 5CP maps can you say that 1 round on Badlands is equal to 1 round on Granary?

The Wireplay scoring system is utter folly, as is the standing ETF2L Golden Cap scoring system. Do I really deserve 1 point for losing more slowly? It should be all or nothing! Also scrap that 10 minute timelimit bullshit for the love of gad.

tl;dr No draws because maps are not equal. A map win should be the only way to earn points in ETF2L.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 04:01:22 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Scissors-HL</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from konr</i>
		<blockquote>[...]But it's more trouble than it's fucking worth imo</blockquote>

So many things wrong with that comment]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 02:54:37 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Scissors</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Sure, but it's even better when it all comes down to the last round.</blockquote>But it's more trouble than it's fucking worth imo]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 02:13:31 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Scissors-HL</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from konr</i>
		<blockquote>[...]Not at all. An entire game could be so fucking close and end on a draw. It being a draw doesn't mean the game was slow and boring at all.</blockquote>

Sure, but it's even better when it all comes down to the last round.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2013 21:43:14 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by konr</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Scissors</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

booriiiiiing</blockquote>Not at all. An entire game could be so fucking close and end on a draw. It being a draw doesn't mean the game was slow and boring at all.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2013 21:13:53 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Scissors-HL</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from byte</i>
		<blockquote>

Make it so that draws are legit
</blockquote>

booriiiiiing]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2013 16:57:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by byte</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[Remove the timelimit of 10minutes and just make it a sudden death round.

or

Make it so that draws are legit and each team receives one point.

Is that simplez.

Cheers

Byte]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2013 16:34:33 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by TurboTabs</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from kaidus</i>
		<blockquote>I'd like a straight wins/losses score system, but at this point who really cares.

Ditch the 10 min holding mid rule. That shit is so bad.</blockquote>

Agreed. Cannot you not make it just be a draw of 1-1 if no one wins the golden cap after 10 minutes. That missing point from maps makes it so that both teams dont win, but rather; they both lose and give motivation to stop middle hugging.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:03:21 +0100</pubDate>
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